Hunting without killing?

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Talking to a person downtown while waiting in line and they mentioned in the US and some parts of Europe there are groups of people that will hunt large game like Deer and Bears using just tranquilizers. Once the animal is passed out they get their picture taken like any other hunter then leave to let the animal wake up once the drugs wear off.

Has anyone heard anything about this or is the game just full of BS?
 
Rhino dart hunts in Africa, I haven't heard of it for other species. Basically, it permits the "hunt" of an endangered or threatened species, while providing much needed money for conservation efforts, as these dart hunts are still pretty expensive.
I can't see these types of hunts being legal or an attraction for other species, especially not for something as common as deer. With some tranquilizers, the animal would become unfit for consumption so it could only be offered in a penned or controlled environment.

There's always a risk of losing the animal due to tranquilization, so I know an insurance fee is added to the dart hunts.
 
Maybe I don't understand the question but isn't that like cooking a steak then not eating it?
Even a trophy hunt still provides food!

Just checked, you can't use poisons or drugs to hunt in Ontario
 
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Kill the animal or leave it alone.

Seriously, that endangered rhino has better things to do than getting tranquilized and posing while passed out.

Things like eating, defecating, fighting with his peers, perpetuating the species.

If they use the opportunity to study the beast and make some money off it for conservation, those hunts may be a good thing but I wouldn't do it.

For deer it would be plainly retarded. Why don't you just make a finger gun and yell POW!
 
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Can't say I would be thrilled to have people doing that sort of thing, tranqulizers can stay in the system for a long time someone in the future could harvest the game animal and poison themselves.
 
Likely legal issues involved with an activity such as that...not to mention harm to the animal itself. There is a real study involved with putting an animal down in such a way. Hollywood has made it look like any schmuck can simply dart a bear and have it peacfully fall asleep for a while.
 
They call it (and, no, this is not a joke) "green hunting". In Africa it's done under controlled conditions on fenced properties, and as far as I can find out it's only for rhinos.

Shockey did a show on it, in which he shot a rhino with a tranquilizer-tipped arrow using a compound bow. He was hunting with a PH who is not highly thought of on a couple of African hunting sites that I visit.

It was probably the most idiotic individual hunting show I've ever seen on Wild TV, and that is saying something.

John
 
The drugs necessary to tranquilize or anesthetize animals are controlled substances. In Canada they can only be used under the direct supervision of a licensed veterinarian.
Some of the drugs used for darting large game species like rhino's are extremely dangerous to humans. The volume in a dart is limited so the drug needs to be pretty concentrated to knock out a 2000kg animal.
Etorphine (Immobilon) is such a drug. The instruction manual specifies that you have to draw up the antidote and have a person trained in giving intravenous injections standing by while you load the dart. This drug has killed a few veterinarians in England when they got a drop on their skin or in their eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etorphine

The effect of the drugs can vary quite a bit from animal to animal. First off: you cannot weigh them, so their weight is always a guess. Secondly there is individual variation to the effect of the drugs. Same in people; some get giddy after their second beer, others not until their fourth sixpack.
Some animals appear tranquillized until you get near them or touch them. This provokes their fight or flight instinct and that could make for some exciting photo ops...

If the animal dies, either from stress or overdosing, the meat is unfit for consumption and should not be left in the woods as it can endanger other wildlife. There are several reports of eagles dying after eating the carcass of euthanized horses.

To return to the topic: I have been on many hunting trips without killing anything. In fact, usually I do not even see deer on those trips....:p:p
 
Sounds like a good way to end up with a bunch of animals that are addicted to tranquilizers! Pretty soon they'll all stampede towards anyone carrying a rifle to get their fix! We'll have to set up interventions for trophy bucks and big horn sheep around here... Betty Ford clinics in all the national parks... oh the humanity!! LOL
 
I think it's a good way to get money in the conservation programs.

In studies at ram mountain in our own rockies, some sheeps get druged several times in their life for studies directed by a professor I had at the university of sherbrooke, and still he considers this of negligible effect on sheep survival and reproduction, otherwise his data wouldn't be valid.

Besides, if we don't get some money in those conservation programs, rhinos and many other endangered species will disappear. We got to find a way to make them worth money without killing them, otherwise they will be killed.

Rhinos live in really poor areas of the world. People there must find money to live, and if they can't get paid as rangers, they will get money by being poachers. Just like us, they have families to feed, but unlike us, even the hard working mans can't get a work to do so.

Plus, the rich americans roaming the territory in search of a rhino to put to sleep make good rangers of themselves, and can report poaching.

I think its a damn good idea
 
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The drugs necessary to tranquilize or anesthetize animals are controlled substances. In Canada they can only be used under the direct supervision of a licensed veterinarian.
Some of the drugs used for darting large game species like rhino's are extremely dangerous to humans. The volume in a dart is limited so the drug needs to be pretty concentrated to knock out a 2000kg animal.
Etorphine (Immobilon) is such a drug. The instruction manual specifies that you have to draw up the antidote and have a person trained in giving intravenous injections standing by while you load the dart. This drug has killed a few veterinarians in England when they got a drop on their skin or in their eye. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etorphine

The effect of the drugs can vary quite a bit from animal to animal. First off: you cannot weigh them, so their weight is always a guess. Secondly there is individual variation to the effect of the drugs. Same in people; some get giddy after their second beer, others not until their fourth sixpack.
Some animals appear tranquillized until you get near them or touch them. This provokes their fight or flight instinct and that could make for some exciting photo ops...

If the animal dies, either from stress or overdosing, the meat is unfit for consumption and should not be left in the woods as it can endanger other wildlife. There are several reports of eagles dying after eating the carcass of euthanized horses.

To return to the topic: I have been on many hunting trips without killing anything. In fact, usually I do not even see deer on those trips....:p:p
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Geez...what a mess!

Kill it humanely or let it be...but tranqu's for big animals!??! That's exactly the kind of thing the "Greens" will use as an excuse to ban all hunting of any kind, anywhere.
 
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