Hunting without killing?

Anyone who thinks this is "humane" can come over to my place for a shot of succinylcholine chloride in their quad.

After you finish telling me about how it felt like being full-on electrocuted throughout your body for 2 minutes solid, you can tell me how much more humane animal doping is.

-M
 
Anyone who thinks this is "humane" can come over to my place for a shot of succinylcholine chloride in their quad.

After you finish telling me about how it felt like being full-on electrocuted throughout your body for 2 minutes solid, you can tell me how much more humane animal doping is.

-M

They're not using Suxamethonium Chloride, they're using Etorphine / Diprenorphibe (Revivon). Etorphine is an opiate, not a muscle relaxant / paralytic.
 
They're not using Suxamethonium Chloride, they're using Etorphine / Diprenorphibe (Revivon). Etorphine is an opiate, not a muscle relaxant / paralytic.

Well thank sh*t for that - at least it's not Sux or pancuronium.

Of course, the opioids leave the animal in a dreamlike state and fully unable to defend itself for hours after sedation... but hey, that's after the "nice people" have gone on their way, so they don't see it potentially being killed by a competitor. Hooray for nice people.

-M
 
On Etorphine:

One of its main advantages in general veterinary work is its speed of operation and, even more important, the speed with which Revivon reverses the effects. For example, operations on valuable animals, such as racehorses, using alternative anesthetics risk the animal injuring itself as the anesthetic wears off. The rapid action of Immobilon and Revivon means the animal can be back on its feet within a relatively short time and aware of its surroundings more quickly, thus reducing any tendency to panic and move around rapidly while still partially under the influence of the anesthetic. For this reason, its use is popular with many vets.

I've seen Rhino knocked out with large animal immobolin, and the Revivon brings them back to 90% with stunning rapidity. In next to no time, they are back at 100%. I don't support tranq hunts on anything but species in extreme jeopardy, that desperately need hunt income to make keeping them valuable. Some areas, this fits Rhino, and many have been knocked out and revived many many times, with no ill affects on behaviour, physical condition, or reproduction. I would definitely like to learn of negative evidence from Rhino, my favorite animal on this planet. Again, anything that keeps them alive, and valuable alive, I'm for.
 
These are not my words, but I had them saved from a long time ago.. don't know the source..

The kill is the culmination of the hunt. We're not fishing here; there's no catch-and-release option, it's all or nothing. Yes, it's fulfilling just to be in the woods with the animals, and to get up-close-and-personal with them. Yes, it's a thrill to have a deer walk by at 25 yards, totally unaware of my presence. But the kill is what makes it hunting.

I've got to quote a favorite statement here: We don't hunt to kill, we kill in order to have hunted. I'm not sure of the source of this quote, but it's right on. We hunt for the thrill of the chase, and the ecstatic peace that comes with being out there trying to beat a wild animal at his own game. When the chance finally comes, there is no doubt; we will kill.

But, can't we just stroll down to the grocery store and pick out a nice roast, instead of killing the poor forest creatures? Yep. But why should we? When I kill a deer, I know that deer had a chance, and that up until the time I took him, he lived a wild, free life. That erstwhile cow that's sitting in the foam trays in the butcher's case was born to die... it never had a chance. Add to that the various steroid injections, etc, and I know I'd rather be eating the deer. I also know the conditions in which the deer was butchered, since I've always done that myself. I also have the pride in furnishing it, rather than paying someone else to do my killing for me.

To those who don't kill and don't understand why we do, I'll borrow from an acquaintance. Why do we kill rather than buy meat? For the same reason many folks grow vegetables in their back yards... for the same reason amateur musicians play music rather than buying it... for the same reason folks paint or draw pictures, rather than buying someone else's art... for the same reason many enjoy photography rather than just buying a picture book of photos... because of the pride that lies in doing it ourselves. Also, venison (deer meat) is healthier than beef or pork, as it is much leaner.

I have to include another quote as well, from The Old Man and the Boy: "...if there's one thing I despise it's a killer, some blood-crazy idiot that just goes around bam-bamming at everything he sees. A man who takes pleasure in death just for death's sake is rotten somewhere inside, and you'll find him doing things later in life that'll prove it." All true hunters agree with this, and we don't kill out of bloodlust, and we don't kill everything we see.

The kill is not the bottom line reason for the hunt, but it cannot be removed from the equation.
 
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