Hunting Yote.

Well I hate to differ with ya but I have had way to many coyotes into me and they see quiet well and they do pick up hunter Orange with no problem. Now Do waste my time if you know whats best then Please post up don't wait for someone else to do so and then try and say they are wrong. On a white back ground Dark is NOT going to work being able to see or Not your going to stand out.

What a Dumb a$$ reply ! Wonder why no one wants to partisapate. Sorry my opinion was not needed here I guess....

I think camo is overrated too. Obviously something completely contrasting is a bit silly, but just dress in normal tones, but pay great attention to breaking up your outline with stuff in front of or behind you. I also think movement of any kind is way more disruptive than whatever you are wearing. Camo is overrated, and most camo is made to be hard for human eyes to see, because human eyes buy it. Have a look at what animals actually wear for their camo. Doesn't look anything like Real Tree, does it.

Some patterns can help break your outline, but they are way over-rated. Even with camo, if you move, you will be had.
 
Well I hate to differ with ya but I have had way to many coyotes into me and they see quiet well and they do pick up hunter Orange with no problem. Now Do waste my time if you know whats best then Please post up don't wait for someone else to do so and then try and say they are wrong. On a white back ground Dark is NOT going to work being able to see or Not your going to stand out. What a Dumb a$$ reply ! Wonder why no one wants to partisapate. Sorry my opinion was not needed here I guess....

Wow, that's quite a reply. I am not sure what got you so worked up, as I am certain I didn't insult you or call you names. If wearing camo makes you feel more comfortable, and works for you, then by all means wear it. I do too, but as I said, its much more about breaking up outlines and preventing contrast than it is about the actual colours. If you find orange to be a problem, then I'd say its more likely due to the solid shade or the contrast than merely the colour orange.

As I'm sure you know, plenty of coyotes were called and shot with shorter range weapons than we have today long before camouflage clothing came into being. Lots of folks still call coyotes in their blue jeans. Look up an old master named Gerry Blair. He has called predators in a Santa suit just to prove a point.

If you're not too riled up over the issue (and, again, I'm not sure why you are), then check out some of the biology behind it.

How game animals see and smell

Also check out a three part series by Charles Shawley and Ralph Lermayer in Predator Xtreme magazine:

October 2008 issue, see page 78

December 2008 issue, see page 61

February 2009 issue, see page 82

Canine vision:

Dog%20Vision.jpg
 
Camo is overrated, and most camo is made to be hard for human eyes to see, because human eyes buy it. Have a look at what animals actually wear for their camo. Doesn't look anything like Real Tree, does it.


LOL nice comment, I got a laugh out of that. I knew there was a reason why I haven't rushed out and bought $1000 worth of camo yet.
 
This is mearly one stage of hunting and I can tell you that you will not keep a track record of success hunting the Wild Turkey without some sort of camo pattern.

There's a difference between wild turkeys and coyotes when it comes to camo. Can you guess what it is? :p

Still not sure why you got all riled up and defensive. I never said camo was worthless, that you shouldn't wear it, or that companies shouldn't try and sell it to make a buck. I said its importance was over-rated for coyote hunting, given the biology, and that remains a fact. It is useful for breaking up outlines, but its not essential.
 
The issue here is not promotion but rather Success in the field. Camo patterns were brought out to help the hunter. Now Most Hunters and if your serious understand that the patterns help you fit in to your setup and mask any movements you need to make.

YEP Like Big Dave says on Storage wars , If you live out west and can see a coyote coming for 300yards across a plain then yes I would size with you guys because you have lots of time to ready and take a shot without a predator seeing you.

As my reply between the Western and Eastern coyote hunting there is a difference and no matter what I do be sides these forums I try to Help some new comers to the field that I have already sat in.

Here in Ontario I know for a fact that Camo patterns work and Yes I use Realtree and do not talk of others but in the end it proves Success and I have no trouble backing claims. Coyotes here can be on top of you in seconds and you have no time to make a S-L-O-W move, you darn well move and shoot.

Yes Game can be shot without camo any one knows that but this whole thread was about " Can you help me get started " What do you use ?

When a hunter can show me a proven track record of game hunting success without camo patterns I will decide to change, but til then
I know I can prove a on going track record with Patterns like Realtree.

Now for digging into what I do has no reflection on this thread. It was not about what equipment is best , it was how to help someone get started. I do not get free stuff I work for everything I get and I pass on what makes me successful.

This is mearly one stage of hunting and I can tell you that you will not keep a track record of success hunting the Wild Turkey without some sort of camo pattern. My success speaks for its self in that field and I have proved it well with Realtree Camo Patterns....

Well, I will almost ignore the implied insults to my hunting ability, intelligence, and experience in this and simply say that you seem to know very little about hunting coyotes. Camo patterns were not designed to help hunters; they were designed to help the companies that make them. They are also designed to make hunters THINK camo helps them so they will be insecure without a well marketed camo suit that, in fact, is not that important to success. I am 65 years old, and I have killed MANY coyotes without any specific camo. I do own a set of white coveralls, but for conditions of no snow, I just wear dull colors (as do most I hunt with) and we call lots of dogs very close sometimes.

If a coyote is "on top of you in seconds" (as they often are despite your complete failure to understand hunting conditions "out west") I turn and shoot fast too. If you actually think that your camo will make your fast turn and shoot invisible to a coyote, well, Hmmmmm.......

Changing the topic to wild turkeys (which do, in fact, see color) is a typical logic trick used by those who have no real logic to use.

I too am trying to help newcomers to the hunting sport, and I want to make it clear to them that spending money on camo is absolutely NOT necessary before they start. It is far more important to be stealthy, and control where your scent goes (and we can get into the uselessness of scent control products too, if you wish) than it is to wear expensive outfits.

Accusing someone of making a " Dumb a$$ reply" is a Dumb a$$ reply.
 
Not to hijack but in the spirit of getting the thread back on track, as OP stated I too am a total newb when it comes to coyote hunting thanks to all for the tips in wait times .

I'm currently looking for a rifle for the task as I'm sure others who check this thread are as well, I know the standard cals are .204, .223, 22-250 and maybe 243.

I'd be hunting for pelts ranges 0 to 400m and am considering several rifles in .223 ( .223 due to inexpensive rounds and the ballistic seen capable ) what do you guys think of the options:

1) Ruger mini -14 target or standard = kill two birds with one stone as I was thinking of buying one after the death of LGR and it's semi (leaning to this one)
2)Savage 16 in SS
3)rem 700 sps in SS
4) tikka t3 lite in SS
5) ruger m77 hawkeye in SS
6) weatherby vanguard series 2

thoughts ?
 
Not to hijack but in the spirit of getting the thread back on track, as OP stated I too am a total newb when it comes to coyote hunting thanks to all for the tips in wait times . I'm currently looking for a rifle for the task as I'm sure others who check this thread are as well, I know the standard cals are .204, .223, 22-250 and maybe 243. I'd be hunting for pelts ranges 0 to 400m and am considering several rifles in .223 ( .223 due to inexpensive rounds and the ballistic seen capable ) what do you guys think of the options:

1) Ruger mini -14 target or standard = kill two birds with one stone as I was thinking of buying one after the death of LGR and it's semi (leaning to this one)
2)Savage 16 in SS
3)rem 700 sps in SS
4) tikka t3 lite in SS
5) ruger m77 hawkeye in SS
6) weatherby vanguard series 2
thoughts ?

Getting the thread back on track is exactly what it needs. I'd say .223 is a good all round choice, ammunition being widely available and with lots of pelt friendly options, adequate for the job, and won't bust your wallet if you want to shoot paper. I'd steer you away from the Mini-14, though. The target version (although supposedly much more accurate than the standard) is really heavy, at 9 lbs before you add a scope or a full magazine. This will get old quick if you're hauling it around all day. A decent bolt action would serve you better in the long run. (I'm partial to Tikka in your list).
 
I have to agree with cv32 on camo and what colours a coyote can see.... this information has been out since the late seventies and is backed up by scientific research....eyes have rods and cones to detect colour and movement, no guess work about it!!!
Do I wear camo myself when hunting, answer is YES, not because I believe it is absolutely needed but because I think it most certainly doesn't diminish my chances as well.
Happy hunting
To the OP, best to scout around and set up in an area that is actively being used by yotes...just like any hunting, if there isn't anything in the area no amount of calling will help.
 
Yeah, the first rule of coyote hunting is to hunt where there are coyotes.

We call coyotes that have been called before and not killed "educated" coyotes. If yours are educated, and hunting pressure will educate many for sure, they will be very hard to call. You may have to try something "different" to get their curiosity aroused. That is a very wide topic, so I will stick to generalities we use as SOP.

If they know you are there, they will not come. No skylining; no walking across open areas if possible; stick to edges; use depressions; do not be easily visible from far away at any time.

No noise. You are going to call an animal with a sound, so don't make any that sound like coyote hunters. No talking; no slamming truck doors; no noise you can avoid; approaching the area while keeping a ridge between you and the area masks sound well.

Control your scent plume so it does not enter the area you intend to call to. We do not use any scent masking soaps, sprays, clothing, or whatever, because we believe they are useless and the only way to avoid a coyote's nose is to not let him smell you. One exception is we will often deliberately allow our scent into an open area down wind. Often coyotes will circle down wind to get a smell of what's making the noise. If the open area is large enough, they must expose themselves to do so. Often, in that moment they get your scent, they will stop to think it over for a few seconds. THAT is a good time to shoot, because they will likely leave after they decide what you are.

Break up your outline somehow. Brush in front (as long as you have a shooting lane) or behind you will do that. Do not move around any more than you must. We like to hunt in pairs. One guy gets fairly hidden, sometimes giving up long range vision, and does the calling. The other sets up to cover the approaches from an angle that allows him to see well, but the animal will be looking somewhere else. Decoys can work for this distraction too, if you are alone.

We use mouth calls exclusively. We walk lots and we hate carrying crap. That's the only reason to avoid the electronics that we can think of; that and the cost, and cold batteries. We have howlers, but use them mostly for "location" calls and then move in and use "dying prey" type calls. We believe only dominant animals will really approach a stranger in their territory, so howlers are less productive than prey type calls. We want the insecure ones too.

Call "softly" the first time in case they are close; you don't want to scare them. We call for 30 seconds to a minute and then sit for 5 and watch. The next set of calls can be louder. Watch very, very carefully. Binoculars are a real help, even in the bush. You cannot pay too much attention. Around here, if you see a magpie coming to the call, pay close attention to that direction. Coyotes and magpies hang out a lot together. Pay attention to the really unexpected directions too. Make head movements slow and steady rather than quick glances. Move nothing more than you have to.

The length of time we call a particular set up depends on how long we think a coyote would take to come from the farthest ranges we think the call is reaching. Wind knocks down calls really quickly, so your range is short. Calling from a ridge on a calm evening will reach a long way. Experience is likely the only teacher here. We have had coyotes over half an hour into the set, but most of the time 15 minutes will tell you what you need to know. Be very careful once you decide the set is done. Stand up slowly and have a long look around. The new angle will reveal all those coyotes you called but have not yet seen (and there will be a depressingly large number of them). You may get a shot if you don't create too much of a spectacle so that the dog has to figure out what the H*** just moved. But chances will not last long.

If you are going to just move and try again, don't talk, don't make noise, don't expose yourselves any more than you must. They may be watching. We move far enough to enter a "new" area that we think holds animals that have no heard us. In a big wind that may not be far; on a calm day that may be half a mile or more. We avoid calling the same area more than a couple of times a winter. Educated coyotes and all that.

Shooting sticks or tripods are essential. We use .22-250s or .243 and one 6mm Rem as dedicated coyote rifles. Coyotes are, pound for pound, a very tough animal. They are also small targets. You need to be able to shoot well, and shoot quickly at times with some honest power too. Multiples get really interesting. We agree before hand about left side/right side etc. and who will shoot first.
 
Yeah, the first rule of coyote hunting is to hunt where there are coyotes.

We call coyotes that have been called before and not killed "educated" coyotes. If yours are educated, and hunting pressure will educate many for sure, they will be very hard to call. You may have to try something "different" to get their curiosity aroused. That is a very wide topic, so I will stick to generalities we use as SOP.

If they know you are there, they will not come. No skylining; no walking across open areas if possible; stick to edges; use depressions; do not be easily visible from far away at any time.

No noise. You are going to call an animal with a sound, so don't make any that sound like coyote hunters. No talking; no slamming truck doors; no noise you can avoid; approaching the area while keeping a ridge between you and the area masks sound well.

Control your scent plume so it does not enter the area you intend to call to. We do not use any scent masking soaps, sprays, clothing, or whatever, because we believe they are useless and the only way to avoid a coyote's nose is to not let him smell you. One exception is we will often deliberately allow our scent into an open area down wind. Often coyotes will circle down wind to get a smell of what's making the noise. If the open area is large enough, they must expose themselves to do so. Often, in that moment they get your scent, they will stop to think it over for a few seconds. THAT is a good time to shoot, because they will likely leave after they decide what you are.

Break up your outline somehow. Brush in front (as long as you have a shooting lane) or behind you will do that. Do not move around any more than you must. We like to hunt in pairs. One guy gets fairly hidden, sometimes giving up long range vision, and does the calling. The other sets up to cover the approaches from an angle that allows him to see well, but the animal will be looking somewhere else. Decoys can work for this distraction too, if you are alone.

We use mouth calls exclusively. We walk lots and we hate carrying crap. That's the only reason to avoid the electronics that we can think of; that and the cost, and cold batteries. We have howlers, but use them mostly for "location" calls and then move in and use "dying prey" type calls. We believe only dominant animals will really approach a stranger in their territory, so howlers are less productive than prey type calls. We want the insecure ones too.

Call "softly" the first time in case they are close; you don't want to scare them. We call for 30 seconds to a minute and then sit for 5 and watch. The next set of calls can be louder. Watch very, very carefully. Binoculars are a real help, even in the bush. You cannot pay too much attention. Around here, if you see a magpie coming to the call, pay close attention to that direction. Coyotes and magpies hang out a lot together. Pay attention to the really unexpected directions too. Make head movements slow and steady rather than quick glances. Move nothing more than you have to.

The length of time we call a particular set up depends on how long we think a coyote would take to come from the farthest ranges we think the call is reaching. Wind knocks down calls really quickly, so your range is short. Calling from a ridge on a calm evening will reach a long way. Experience is likely the only teacher here. We have had coyotes over half an hour into the set, but most of the time 15 minutes will tell you what you need to know. Be very careful once you decide the set is done. Stand up slowly and have a long look around. The new angle will reveal all those coyotes you called but have not yet seen (and there will be a depressingly large number of them). You may get a shot if you don't create too much of a spectacle so that the dog has to figure out what the H*** just moved. But chances will not last long.

If you are going to just move and try again, don't talk, don't make noise, don't expose yourselves any more than you must. They may be watching. We move far enough to enter a "new" area that we think holds animals that have no heard us. In a big wind that may not be far; on a calm day that may be half a mile or more. We avoid calling the same area more than a couple of times a winter. Educated coyotes and all that.

Shooting sticks or tripods are essential. We use .22-250s or .243 and one 6mm Rem as dedicated coyote rifles. Coyotes are, pound for pound, a very tough animal. They are also small targets. You need to be able to shoot well, and shoot quickly at times with some honest power too. Multiples get really interesting. We agree before hand about left side/right side etc. and who will shoot first.

Superb post. Lots of excellent advice there.
 
Yeah, the first rule of coyote hunting is to hunt where there are coyotes.

We call coyotes that have been called before and not killed "educated" coyotes. If yours are educated, and hunting pressure will educate many for sure, they will be very hard to call. You may have to try something "different" to get their curiosity aroused. That is a very wide topic, so I will stick to generalities we use as SOP.

If they know you are there, they will not come. No skylining; no walking across open areas if possible; stick to edges; use depressions; do not be easily visible from far away at any time.

No noise. You are going to call an animal with a sound, so don't make any that sound like coyote hunters. No talking; no slamming truck doors; no noise you can avoid; approaching the area while keeping a ridge between you and the area masks sound well.

Control your scent plume so it does not enter the area you intend to call to. We do not use any scent masking soaps, sprays, clothing, or whatever, because we believe they are useless and the only way to avoid a coyote's nose is to not let him smell you. One exception is we will often deliberately allow our scent into an open area down wind. Often coyotes will circle down wind to get a smell of what's making the noise. If the open area is large enough, they must expose themselves to do so. Often, in that moment they get your scent, they will stop to think it over for a few seconds. THAT is a good time to shoot, because they will likely leave after they decide what you are.

Break up your outline somehow. Brush in front (as long as you have a shooting lane) or behind you will do that. Do not move around any more than you must. We like to hunt in pairs. One guy gets fairly hidden, sometimes giving up long range vision, and does the calling. The other sets up to cover the approaches from an angle that allows him to see well, but the animal will be looking somewhere else. Decoys can work for this distraction too, if you are alone.

We use mouth calls exclusively. We walk lots and we hate carrying crap. That's the only reason to avoid the electronics that we can think of; that and the cost, and cold batteries. We have howlers, but use them mostly for "location" calls and then move in and use "dying prey" type calls. We believe only dominant animals will really approach a stranger in their territory, so howlers are less productive than prey type calls. We want the insecure ones too.

Call "softly" the first time in case they are close; you don't want to scare them. We call for 30 seconds to a minute and then sit for 5 and watch. The next set of calls can be louder. Watch very, very carefully. Binoculars are a real help, even in the bush. You cannot pay too much attention. Around here, if you see a magpie coming to the call, pay close attention to that direction. Coyotes and magpies hang out a lot together. Pay attention to the really unexpected directions too. Make head movements slow and steady rather than quick glances. Move nothing more than you have to.

The length of time we call a particular set up depends on how long we think a coyote would take to come from the farthest ranges we think the call is reaching. Wind knocks down calls really quickly, so your range is short. Calling from a ridge on a calm evening will reach a long way. Experience is likely the only teacher here. We have had coyotes over half an hour into the set, but most of the time 15 minutes will tell you what you need to know. Be very careful once you decide the set is done. Stand up slowly and have a long look around. The new angle will reveal all those coyotes you called but have not yet seen (and there will be a depressingly large number of them). You may get a shot if you don't create too much of a spectacle so that the dog has to figure out what the H*** just moved. But chances will not last long.

If you are going to just move and try again, don't talk, don't make noise, don't expose yourselves any more than you must. They may be watching. We move far enough to enter a "new" area that we think holds animals that have no heard us. In a big wind that may not be far; on a calm day that may be half a mile or more. We avoid calling the same area more than a couple of times a winter. Educated coyotes and all that.

Shooting sticks or tripods are essential. We use .22-250s or .243 and one 6mm Rem as dedicated coyote rifles. Coyotes are, pound for pound, a very tough animal. They are also small targets. You need to be able to shoot well, and shoot quickly at times with some honest power too. Multiples get really interesting. We agree before hand about left side/right side etc. and who will shoot first.

Thank you for your write up.
 
Not to hijack but in the spirit of getting the thread back on track, as OP stated I too am a total newb when it comes to coyote hunting thanks to all for the tips in wait times .

I'm currently looking for a rifle for the task as I'm sure others who check this thread are as well, I know the standard cals are .204, .223, 22-250 and maybe 243.

I'd be hunting for pelts ranges 0 to 400m and am considering several rifles in .223 ( .223 due to inexpensive rounds and the ballistic seen capable ) what do you guys think of the options:

1) Ruger mini -14 target or standard = kill two birds with one stone as I was thinking of buying one after the death of LGR and it's semi (leaning to this one)
2)Savage 16 in SS
3)rem 700 sps in SS
4) tikka t3 lite in SS
5) ruger m77 hawkeye in SS
6) weatherby vanguard series 2

thoughts ?

Im looking at picking up a Stevens 200 in 223 and throwing a few mods on her for my yote rifle
 
Great post by rral22....another thing to try if you spook one by accident is too make a repeated high pitched whoooop sound...it seems to get their attention and a lot of times they will stop for that last look in your direction....this worked on a huge timberwolf last week for me.
happy hunting!
 
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