Hunting?

Ditto. It's hard to get a better looking gun than an engraved, finely checkered highly polished and blued bolt gun sitting in a deeply figured walnut stock. Plastic and 'black' guns just look crass to me, and certainly don't convey craftsmanship or sport to me.
I already defined what I meant, I was looking for a "black" looking rifle. What looks good to you is your opinion, your entitled to it. I dislike that style of rifle, and like the more modern "black" look.

Also, which M14 should I look for, I'm read some reviews on the Norincos, they seem to be an average knock off, however, I'm looking for something thats completely reliable. I've read that the Springfield Armory versions are exceptional reproductions.
 
You mentioned the SOCOM variants of the M1A.
You should be aware that some models of the M1A have a barrel length under 18.5", and so are restricted firearms. If you get one of those, you will not be able to hunt with it.
I don't own a Norinco M305 myself, but many people seem to like them. You might price what it would cost to buy one, and have a black fiberglass stock put on it.
There are several bolt action rifles that sell with fiberglass stocks. Would one of those suit you? They are very "black looking" rifles, and would cost less than an M1A.

APG
 
You mentioned the SOCOM variants of the M1A.
You should be aware that some models of the M1A have a barrel length under 18.5", and so are restricted firearms. If you get one of those, you will not be able to hunt with it.
I don't own a Norinco M305 myself, but many people seem to like them. You might price what it would cost to buy one, and have a black fiberglass stock put on it.
There are several bolt action rifles that sell with fiberglass stocks. Would one of those suit you? They are very "black looking" rifles, and would cost less than an M1A.

APG
Not quite, I'm looking for a complete setup, not just a fiberglass stock. I'd REALLY like a "real" M14. But I'm not sure if actual ones are legal. As per the Socom variant, I head about it through Airsoft, as I'm also an avid airsofter ;). It looks something like this:
http://www.airsoftatlanta.com/images/marui_socom_jpg.jpg

The barrel is shorter, and may very well be under the 18.5" limit, if it's not, I'm going to jump on one, as I like it a lot.

EDIT: Springfield Armory makes a couple versions of the Socom version, both are only 16.5", so thats a no go :(. How ever, both there Standard M1A, and Loaded M1A happen to make me drool :).
 
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"But I'm not sure if actual ones are legal."

They are if you owned them before the laws changed. Otherwise "No M14s for you! (said in my best soup nazi voice). I'll also second (or is it third) the comment about all the tactical "gew-gaws" hung on these guns. I know it looks cool, but if it really was a gun you were going to bet your life on, would you take a lightweight, handy, maneuverable M4 and hang 27 pounds of glass, electronics, gps and fishfinders on it? - dan
 
"But I'm not sure if actual ones are legal."

They are if you owned them before the laws changed. Otherwise "No M14s for you! (said in my best soup nazi voice). I'll also second (or is it third) the comment about all the tactical "gew-gaws" hung on these guns. I know it looks cool, but if it really was a gun you were going to bet your life on, would you take a lightweight, handy, maneuverable M4 and hang 27 pounds of glass, electronics, gps and fishfinders on it? - dan
At this point, I'm mainly looking for an M14 with a rail system so I can attach a more modern scope. The Sage systems are nice, but I don't really need rails on every forward surface ;). I might just buy some normal scope rings, unless I can find a good enough scope to warrant buying the rail mounts...
 
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xero- you can pick up an m305 for pretty cheap. Then you can get a gunsmith to chop the barrel down to 18.6" keeping it non-restricted. Throw on an ARMS #18, smith or scout mount and you're good to go. They're great guns.
 
xero- you can pick up an m305 for pretty cheap. Then you can get a gunsmith to chop the barrel down to 18.6" keeping it non-restricted. Throw on an ARMS #18, smith or scout mount and you're good to go. They're great guns.
At this point, I'd rather get a Springfield Amory M1A instead of the Norinco M305, the reviews I've read say that the Springfield Armory M1A's blow the Norinco's out of the water.
 
Xero,

The search engine is your friend! All your questions have been asked and answered umpteen times. The Norinco M14S is a better rifle than the Springfield Armory M1A. The Norinco has a forged receiver that is within mil-spec, while the SA is a cast receiver that is often out of spec. The Norinco, 9 times out of 10, will match or beat an out of box SA shooting the same ammo.

Since you aren't grandfathered to own an actual M14, you'll never own a functioning example unless our gun laws are miraculously rolled back a couple of decades.

If you want to scope it, the best mount is the Smith Enterprises picatinny rail. The second best is the ARMS #18. The Smith is uber expensive in Canada right now due to high demand in the US and difficulty in exporting from there. The ARMS mounts are a little less expensive and if you watch the EE closely, you can luck into a deal now and again in the $180-$200 range.

USGI fiberglass stocks have also become insanely expensive in Canada, again due to supply and demand. They're now regularly listed in the EE for $150-$240! A couple of years ago I bought them for $40-$50 each in the US. Your other option is to purchase a new laminate or walnut stock from Boyds. With shipping, those will run you around $130.00 give or take.

Once you add a stainless spring guide rod and swap out the Chinese springs, etc...for USGI, you'll be left with a heavy, robust rifle that will certainly be capable of taking most big game in North America. However, the rifle you already own can already do that job, only better!
 
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Xero,

The search engine is your friend! All your questions have been asked and answered umpteen times. The Norinco M14S is a better rifle than the Springfield Armory M1A. The Norinco has a forged receiver that is within mil-spec, while the SA is a cast receiver that is often out of spec. The Norinco, 9 times out of 10, will match or beat an out of box SA shooting the same ammo.

Since you aren't grandfathered to own an actual M14, you'll never own a functioning example unless our gun laws are miraculously rolled back a couple of decades.

If you want to scope it, the best mount is the Smith Enterprises picatinny rail. The second best is the ARMS #18. The Smith is uber expensive in Canada right now due to high demand in the US and difficulty in exporting from there. The ARMS mounts are a little less expensive and if you watch the EE closely, you can luck into a deal now and again in the $180-$200 range.

USGI fiberglass stocks have also become insanely expensive in Canada, again due to supply and demand. They're now regularly listed in the EE for $150-$240! A couple of years ago I bought them for $40-$50 each in the US. Your other option is to purchase a new laminate or walnut stock from Boyds. With shipping, those will run you around $130.00 give or take.

Once you add a stainless spring guide rod and swap out the Chinese springs, etc...for USGI, you'll be left with a heavy, robust rifle that will certainly be capable of taking most big game in North America. However, the rifle you already own can already do that job, only better!
Really? I read two reviews on two completely different web sites about Norinco vs SA, they both said that the SA was the tougher and more reliable gun... However, if what you say is true, I'll pick up a Norinco for $300 vs a SA for $1500+...
 
You probably read the reviews that some of the US arsenals published. Those reviews are extremely dated, and more than a little, uh, biased.
 
You probably read the reviews that some of the US arsenals published. Those reviews are extremely dated, and more than a little, uh, biased.
I see >.<... I've contacted my local gun dealership requesting information on both the Norinco and SA versions (they can get Norinco's imported at least). Hopefully they have had experience with both...
 
Really? I read two reviews on two completely different web sites about Norinco vs SA, they both said that the SA was the tougher and more reliable gun... However, if what you say is true, I'll pick up a Norinco for $300 vs a SA for $1500+...

Let me guess? You were on the Fulton Armory website right???:rolleyes: Those negative AMERICAN reviews were for old Norinco and Polytech rifles built in the late 80s and early 90s. Some of those did have some bolt hardness problems, but they have zero correspondence to current Norinco M-14S.

As for buying over the internet, Marstar has literally sold shiploads of these rifles over the internet and via mailorder. They have a great warranty and if there are any issues with the rifle you receive they'll repair, replace or refund your money. Your local shop will probably buy a rifle from Marstar and then resell it to you for an extra $100.00 or more.

The SA "SOCOM" is a restricted rifle due to its barrel length and cannot be carried afield. You can get a gunsmith to cut down the stock barrel on the M14S, just as long as the finished bbl is over the legal limit. You'll need to replace the original front sight with a Navy sight to compensate for the shorter sight radius, etc... Its a relatively simply procedure. Valley Guns in Ontario seem to be doing a lot of them these days.
 
Best bet would be a Norc 305 and then follow the improvement techniques in Hungry's Clinics. With a four hundred dollar rifle a scope mount and a stock you'll be doing way better than most SA M14's or M1A's.

And follow Hungry's advice don't buy one



BUY TWO:D:D
 
Hey Xero.

There are two M305's on the EE right now that would be perfect for what you want it for...meaning they would be OK for hunting but have been pimped out with tacticool accessories.
 
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