Huskemaw optics and the Best of the west clowns

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track said:
That's exactly what I did but a step further. I cancelled WildTV all together after an agonizing 3 months of viewing.
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I guess I didn't go far enough in illustrating my point.

You have "thrown the baby out with the bath water" as the saying goes. There is a lot that I really enjoy on Wild TV. and a few shows that I don't care for. So I watch the shows I like and don't watch the shows I don't like. It is not that hard to do.

If I go to a sporting goods store and don't get great service one day, I will not rant and rave and say "I am never going back there". If I shoot one Remington and don't get super small groups, I don't say "I'll never shoot another Remington"

I did however watch a few "long range killing" shows before I decided I could spend my time watching something I like more (like bowling).
 
sheephunter said:
Likely because they never hunt in Ontario ;) Definitely no skill required to head deep into the mountains with a packstring to bighorns.....
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Funny how lots of guys on here, and other forums have no problem getting within 100- 200 yds of sheep and goats SOME of the time, but the BotW refuse to.

Of course, the average hunter isnt pimping a $7000 long range rig to new shooters.
 
blargon said:
Funny how lots of guys on here, and other forums have no problem getting within 100- 200 yds of sheep and goats SOME of the time, but the BotW refuse to.

Of course, the average hunter isnt pimping a $7000 long range rig to new shooters.
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I have no doubt they purposefully shoot from longer ranges to promote their products...I don't think that was ever in question here.
 
stubblejumper said:
And the simple fact is that there are likely a fair number of missed shots at those distances, but shows like Best Of The West, only show the successful shots. Given that the show is pretty much an infomercial, showing misses, or wounded game, would be poor advertising.
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Actually pay close attention to the impact on a few of those past episodes and you'll see "poor" hits passed off as good solid hits. It happens to everyone but I cannot believe it doesn't happen more often at " extreme" distance ( whatever that is these days).
 
Watching this Best of the West show, I often wonder how many animal woundings get edited out of thier episodes.

I mean no-one has a 110% success rate. Especially novice shooters/hunters at long range, that do not have an extensive background of shooting experience. IMHO, it promotes ridiculous shooting, without a well earned background of hunting experience for the novice.

my two bits only.......
 
stubblejumper said:
When the program first came out on Wild TV, I watched a few episodes, but I haven't watched the program in quite some time. However, I am reminded of the program several times each year, when I see someone show up at the range with a new Huskemaw scope. Unfortunately, most of those people don't seem to be able to shoot anywhere near as well as the people on the program are shown to do. In fact, of the better shooters that shooter regularly at our local range, I haven't seen any of them using a Huskemaw.
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I feel the same way.... Very few new hunters and shooters appreciate good quality scopes. And what is with guys thinking they need 24x scopes to make 500 yard shots? Vietnam snipers shot successfully with 6x scopes on targets out to 1000 yards. Hell, I was shooting concrete blocks last summer with irons at 500....
 
tactical870 said:
I feel the same way.... Very few new hunters and shooters appreciate good quality scopes. And what is with guys thinking they need 24x scopes to make 500 yard shots? Vietnam snipers shot successfully with 6x scopes on targets out to 1000 yards. Hell, I was shooting concrete blocks last summer with irons at 500....
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Tactical870,

while on my time in the army (not CA forces) our sniper riles in 7.5mm and .308 were fitted with only 3.75 fixed power ....

but it was in the last century .....

all the best.

Phil

ps they have now fixed 6x and 10x and some even variables with SB kind ....
 
Best of the West often goes into wilderness areas on horses, and so that looks good. The infomercial part is tedious. The whole point is to shoot animals at long range, so I find they sometimes shoot *any* animal rather than find a real big one. It's like they would pass up a real trophy size animal at 200 yards to take a smaller one at 700. :)
 
mossyhorns said:
Actually pay close attention to the impact on a few of those past episodes and you'll see "poor" hits passed off as good solid hits. It happens to everyone but I cannot believe it doesn't happen more often at " extreme" distance ( whatever that is these days).
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If you high-five everyone and hoot and holler, people will assume you made a good shot...;)
 
I used to watch it fairly frequently As sheep hunter says they pack into remote areas on horseback. I did a fair amount of that in my younger days and. I took the long range shooting with a grain of salt. I got turned off by a few episodes where they drove across the prairies with a suburban until they spotted an animal and then get out and built their bench rest beside the truck and shot from there. Not much different than our road hunters driving around everyones fields and shooting from the truck. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I have been filmed guiding caribou by Mossy Oak and saw how much editing goes into it. Actually I believe Mossy Oak to be one of the more reputable film Makers. They would not let you shoot an animal skylines even though there is nothing behind for 186 miles. That was fine If because you are trying to get a point across. If a good bull-even a potential world record was spotted from the boat you could not beach the boat crawl over a rise and shoot. You had to beach the boat and go to a vantage point to spot the animal and plan the stalk.
The downside was they had a disagreement with the outfitter and his name and the camps name were not mentioned
No I no longer watch best of the west.
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Neilm said:
I used to watch it fairly frequently As sheep hunter says they pack into remote areas on horseback. I did a fair amount of that in my younger days and. I took the long range shooting with a grain of salt. I got turned off by a few episodes where they drove across the prairies with a suburban until they spotted an animal and then get out and built their bench rest beside the truck and shot from there. Not much different than our road hunters driving around everyones fields and shooting from the truck. It leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
I have been filmed guiding caribou by Mossy Oak and saw how much editing goes into it. Actually I believe Mossy Oak to be one of the more reputable film Makers. They would not let you shoot an animal skylines even though there is nothing behind for 186 miles. That was fine If because you are trying to get a point across. If a good bull-even a potential world record was spotted from the boat you could not beach the boat crawl over a rise and shoot. You had to beach the boat and go to a vantage point to spot the animal and plan the stalk.
The downside was they had a disagreement with the outfitter and his name and the camps name were not mentioned
No I no longer watch best of the west.
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Building an impromptu bench on the prairie takes skill. So does leading a pack string of horses backwards in the mountains.
 
Even if you accept the idea of shooting at animals from distances so great that bullet flight time allows for the possibility of the target moving enough to turn a "good" shot into a miss, or a wound (and I personally feel this is totally unethical)...and even if you believe that we should never criticize each other because we need to stand united in the face of opposition from antis (and I personally feel that we need to scrupulously police ourselves)...there is still the issue of relatively inexperienced shooters being handed a super-duper Gunwerks special rifle, complete with Huskiepaw optics, and then being coached into a long distance shot they have never, ever attempted before. That is just plain wrong, IMHO, and to fail to condemn it is also wrong.
 
Dogleg said:
If I remember right, the Fort Mac range is 500 yards. That's not exactly long range, but is a darn sight better than most.
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You would be surprised at how many shoot there , have a hard time hitting AYNTHING at 500 meters, but profess to be "long range shooters"!!
We did have a 1K range started and had spme steel at 8,9 and 1,000, but for lack of participation it floundered.
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We also can do without the opening bit where idjits are running around in stetsons and dusters, fondling modern bolt action rifles to spagetti western music! It's almost as tasteless as the reclining sockless hillbilly dropping the king optics scope onto the floor. :p
 
catnthehatt said:
You would be surprised at how many shoot there , have a hard time hitting AYNTHING at 500 meters, but profess to be "long range shooters"!!
We did have a 1K range started and had spme steel at 8,9 and 1,000, but for lack of participation it floundered.
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You'd be surprised to see how many people are shooting truck axle barrelled rifles at 100 yards at our club range, and don't even shoot at 200. I don't know if it is because they are embarrassed when groups open a bit, or if they actually believe that tiny groups at 100 = center hits at 1000.

Its interesting to ask them where they stretch that thing out, just to see the blank looks. Most are planning on hunting with those rigs though.
 
You would be surprised at how many shoot there , have a hard time hitting AYNTHING at 500 meters, but profess to be "long range shooters"!!
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I see some of them eventually hitting a clay target, after walking several shots into it.Then they usually brag, as if they had actually accomplished something.

You'd be surprised to see how many people are shooting truck axle barrelled rifles at 100 yards at our club range, and don't even shoot at 200. I don't know if it is because they are embarrassed when groups open a bit, or if they actually believe that tiny groups at 100 = center hits at 1000.
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I watched one guy, with a new Huskemaw scope, fire a box of shells at 25 yards, then turn to his buddy and tell him that he was ready to shoot game at 800 yards. He never fired a single shot, at any range other than 25 yards, and that was the first day, with his new scope.
 
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