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As are you!!!!
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Thanks I will quote you on that! Maybe include it in my signature line.
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Time for a new TV series.
It will be filmed here in Sask, open prairies of course.Long range bow hunting will be the basis of the program with emphasis on bang flops.It will of course be endorsed by Hoyt and Slick Trick!
You may be late. There are clowns on youtube hunting with archery equipment at +100 yards.
You rock!
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The compliments keep flowing....my signature line is going to be epic.
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No hypocrisy here, Master Sheephunter... After 40+ years of bowhunting, flight time and quarry proximity and quarry demeanor are constantly on my mind. When hunting skittish Texas whitetails, my maximum distance for a shot is 20 yards... inside of 20 yards, experience has shown (with my 300 fps hunting rig), that the animal cannot register the sound and react in sufficient time to avoid the kill shot... the high risk zone is 20-40 yards (to make KodiakHntr's point)... beyond 40 yards, deer do not tend to react with extreme alarm, rather keen interest. On an alert Texas whitetail, I would never even consider a 30 yard shot... but here in Northern Ontario, I have never experienced a whitetail even twitch at 30 yards until after the arrow has passed through their body.
I don't know how much experience you have being in the presence of big game animals at "point blank"... say under 30 yards (but even more so under 10 yards) but the interaction and your ability to read body posture, facial expressions, twitches and ticks is amazing... In archery, reading the quarry's posture and demeanor is extremely important... I have passed on very makeable shots (from a shooting perspective) due to an animals skittish or "high-alert" demeanor... I KNEW at that range, the animal would react too quickly to assure a high percentage kill shot...
I wonder what the interaction with the quarry is when it is 1 km away? I imagine it might as well be a cardboard silhouette for all the interaction with the animal... it cant see you or smell you or "sense" you... and you can tell if it is standing in an erect posture or a feeding posture and that's about it... you cant tell if it has just heard a small noise that has put it on high alert, and it is only faking the feeding posture, but is prepared to explode... etc... etc...
This debate could go on ad nauseum... with no minds changed and no satisfactory conclusion...
I personally do NOT take long shots on game animals with archery gear or firearms... that is my choice. Of course long is relative... and the crux of the issue is, when is long "too long" regardless of the shooter's skill... is there EVER a too long??? Is this debate about effectively killing animals, is this about an affront to the spirit of hunting, is this a moral/ethical issue???
I know how I feel about it all, and "everyone" knows how you feel about it... and that's ok. We engage in the same pursuit in our own unique ways... I am glad that I am not bound to your way of hunting as I am sure you are glad that you are not bound to my way of hunting...
Most bullets do lose velocity...you hear about some cartridges on here occasionally that have no drop at 400 yards but all of mine do shed velocity as they travel through the air. I was just pointing out the flaw in a calculation for an arrow where this loss of velocity was not factored in. I bet if you went back and read it again you'd see that
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So basically what you are saying is that in both archery and long range shooting the chance of an animal moving and causing a poor hit is possible but with experience and keen observation you can mitigate those chances? That's not what I read in your statement earlier but glad you cleared that up.
Actually this post was speaking specifically to your reference on game responding to the sound of the bow going off... which obviously doesn't apply to a gun, since the bullet gets there before the sound... however, what I was speaking of is the uncontrollable factor of "random" animal movement, between the time the shooters brain says "Squeeze" until the bullet arrives... at extreme distance the animal can take a step or two... and we know what that means...
However, you clearly love to debate semantics, and I feel that this has been flogged to death, and frankly have lost interest in this discourse, so Master Sheephunter, I bid you adieu!
Hmmmmm, all bullets loose velocity, not most, and I wonder which cartridges you heard that has no drop at 400 yards?..........I would love to read that thread/post. I remember owning a custom 257 weatherby with a 28 inch barrel that reached a little over 3,700 fps with a 100 grain NBT, but yet had a 6 inch drop at 400 yards with a +2.5 inch poi at 100 yards.Most bullets do lose velocity...you hear about some cartridges on here occasionally that have no drop at 400 yards but all of mine do shed velocity as they travel through the air. I was just pointing out the flaw in a calculation for an arrow where this loss of velocity was not factored in. I bet if you went back and read it again you'd see that
Most bullets do lose velocity...you hear about some cartridges on here occasionally that have no drop at 400 yards but all of mine do shed velocity as they travel through the air. I was just pointing out the flaw in a calculation for an arrow where this loss of velocity was not factored in. I bet if you went back and read it again you'd see that
I would love to get a few of those bullets that don't lose velocity.
I think you have officially "jumped the shark".
Me too...you read about them occasionally on here but I never seem to see them at the store. I hear that Nosler has a prototype with a BC of 1.1 that actually gains velocity as it travels but I haven't shot them yet...exciting times we live in
Not really...I just hate seeing hunters slag hunters...especially when in reality, all hunters live in glass houses
Not really...I just hate seeing hunters slag hunters...especially when in reality, all hunters live in glass houses
Of 4365 posts, this may be the most hypocritical.
LOL...it was actually my post that was rife with sarcasm. I'm sure if you really are interested in reading about the magic gravity defying cartridges, a search through the archives will reveal several. I apologizing for not keeping an inventory of them but when I read stuff like that I usually just chuckle and move on. I'll try to keep better records in the future...that was sarcasm too....I'm actually not going to keep records of them
You can read about an arrow that doesn't lose velocity in post #226 though.
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Not really...I just hate seeing hunters slag hunters...especially when in reality, all hunters live in glass houses
OK, you drew me back in... but only for one post... What you refer to as "slagging" is simply and open discussion amongst the ranks of those pursuing our beloved sport... it is not only healthy, but essential that we police our own ranks, and have discussions on matters of ethics and unfortunately we must also take into consideration how our conduct is perceived outside of our ranks by the uninformed public... at least we do if we want to be hunting ten, twenty, thirty years from now...
Can you think of another group that banned open discourse on internal ethics, morality, conduct and shifted and pushed the limits of acceptable behaviour??? That didn't go so well... I am not comparing this, to that except in philosophy...
You need look no further than the title of this thread to see how inaccurate that statement is.
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