Huskemaw Yah or Nah?

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Looking at a husky scope. Not knowing much about them I wanna know some good and bad things my fellow CGNers have experienced. I do like the option of 5-20 option as I am looking for something I can use in any hunting situations. BUT one thing Im not keen on is having 3 different types of turrets as Im huinting from sea level to 10,000 feet! Im shooting a Rem 700 CDL SF 7mm 160 grain Accubond.

Thanks guys and gals!:cheers:
 
Huskemaw is 1 of the great mysteries of the optics world. Other than for a TV show and lets face it on TV anything will be claimed to sell something. Google turns up virtually nothing on this brand as to who they actually are , where they are really made or any specs. At SHOT show every year anyone who is anyone shows up except King optics I wonder why and Huskemaw.
Having seen these scopes on guns being brought into the shop, having a natural curiosity, and being a NF distributor I have carefully looked the Huskemaw scopes over.
Lets just say I will stick with my Nightforce scopes despite being a little more $$.
 
Huskemaw is 1 of the great mysteries of the optics world. Other than for a TV show and lets face it on TV anything will be claimed to sell something. Google turns up virtually nothing on this brand as to who they actually are , where they are really made or any specs. At SHOT show every year anyone who is anyone shows up except King optics I wonder why and Huskemaw.
Having seen these scopes on guns being brought into the shop, having a natural curiosity, and being a NF distributor I have carefully looked the Huskemaw scopes over.
Lets just say I will stick with my Nightforce scopes despite being a little more $$.

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Hushemaw is not impressive. There are loads of better options.
 
Commenting on 8th wonder of the world "who huskemaw really is" aside,

here's a good article about how changes in atmospheric pressure has different effects, causing bullets to perform differently. Essentially negating any advantages the huskemaw may offer if the hunter changes altitude.


How well a bullet will perform in the air is indicated by its ballistic coefficient and initial velocity. A typical 6mm, 68 grain bullet made on an .825" length jacket with a 7 caliber tangent ogive has a ballistic coefficient of about .265.

Usually ballistic coefficients are based on the "Standard Metro" sea level atmosphere. This atmosphere has a barometric pressure level of 29.53", a temperature of 59 degrees F. and the humidity is 78 percent. There is also another recognized standard atmosphere referred to as the "ICAO" International Civil Aviation Organization standard atmosphere. It also is at sea level but the barometric pressure level is 29.92", the temperature is also 59 degrees and the humidity level is zero percent. As mentioned above though, most ballistic data is based on "Standard Metro".

If any of the above components of air density are changed, the density and relative speed of sound will change as well. Fortunately we can simulate these changes and the resultant change in down range ballistics, by using a modified ballistic coefficient for the particular bullet.

For example a bullet with a ballistic coefficient of .265 could perform as though it had a ballistic coefficient higher than .265 under certain atmospheric conditions. That would mean that it would shoot flatter and be affected less by the wind.

Often this is exactly the case. When the temperature is above the standard of 59 degrees and the other conditions remain the same, the air density decreases. The same is true if the barometric pressure decreases or the elevation increases. We will get into more on barometric pressure and elevation later.

Contrary to popular opinion, an increase in the humidity level actually decreases the air density. That sticky, humid air is not really "heavy" air after all. Hard to believe? It is true and the reason is that the molecular weight of dry air is greater than that of water. This information can be found in the CRC HANDBOOK OF CHEMISTRY AND PHYSICS. The book is not hard to find, my small town library has it. There is also a brief explanation of this in the exterior ballistics section of the third edition of the Sierra reloading manual. As we will see later though, of all the air density components, a change in the humidity level has the least effect.

Though they are two different terms, barometric pressure and altitude are very closely related. As mentioned earlier, the standard pressure at sea level for "Standard Metro" is 29.53". Any change in altitude will also cause a change in pressure. The function of an altimeter is based on this principal. The actual change in pressure is about one inch of pressure per thousand feet of elevation change. The pressure decreases as elevation increases.

This can be confusing, because if you live at 2000 feet elevation and you have a household barometer, it will usually read between 29.5" and 30.5". If the pressure level dropped as it should, then the barometer should read about 2" less than that. In fact, it does. The true uncorrected barometric pressure would be 2" less at that altitude. Increasing or "correcting" the pressure level by these 2" allows local weather forecasters and others to compare a standard throughout the world. Reported pressures related to weather and aviation use the "ICAO" standard of 29.92" but the difference between this and 'Standard Metro' is not very significant. It amounts to a difference in the ballistic coefficient of less than two percent.

In order of magnitude, a change in altitude has the most effect on ballistic coefficient, followed by temperature and then humidity. It is necessary to keep in mind though, that all of these components are inter-related. A change in one is almost always tied to a change in another. For example, if the temperature at the range goes up during the match it is probable that the humidity level will decrease. Barometric pressure changes occur more slowly, as a general rule, and an inch of change over several days means a major weather system is moving in or out of the area. Driving from one location to another in mountanous country can change the uncorrected barometric pressure very quickly.

To see how the effects of air density change the ballistic coefficient, I modified an equation that was in an article written by William C. Davis, Jr. in the March 1989 issue of the AMERICAN RIFLEMAN. There are also similar formulas in the Sierra handloading manual.

In the following examples, the sea level ballistic coefficient of .265 was used. Let's see what the ballistic coefficient was during one afternoon at the 1990 NBRSA Nationals held at the Ben Avery range north of Phoenix. According to my AOPA airport directory, the elevation of the small airport 12 miles north of town is 1560'. For our example we will use the figure of 1500' elevation for the range, not knowing exactly what it is. The temperature was around 95 degrees F. several days and the humidity was in the 20% range. Plugging these values into the formulas yields an equivalent ballistic coefficient of .301.

To see the effects of a humidity change, if the humidity level was actually 75% in Phoenix and the temperature stayed at 95 degrees, the ballistic coefficient would be .304. That is not a significant change, about 1%, but it is interesting to note that the ballistic coefficient increased with the more humid air.

Probably the most humid and hot conditions I have shot in were during the 1987 Nationals at Charlotte, North Carolina. The temperature was about 100 degrees and the humidity level not far behind, probably 90%. Charlotte has an elevation of about 750 feet. For these conditions the ballistic coefficient of that typical benchrest bullet would be .300, about the same as Phoenix. If we dropped the temperature in our simulation to 30 degrees at Charlotte and kept the humidity at 90%, the ballistic coefficient would be .256. This is a much more significant change, about 15%.

The range in Helena, Montana is just east of the continental divide at an elevation of about 5300 feet, just over a mile high. At a temperature of 70 degrees and humidity level of 25% the ballistic coefficient would be .330. That value is quite an increase over our sea level figure of .265, about a 25% improvement.

Interestingly, the temperature at this range would have to drop to 17 degrees below zero to bring the ballistic coefficient back to its original .265. Interesting except to those that live there, below-zero temperatures at this range are not uncommon during the winter months.

The Tacoma, Washington range is often very close to the standard sea level conditions of 59 degrees F. and high in humidity. Driving to the range, you drop down to within a few feet of Puget Sound. The ballistic coefficients here would not often be far off their standard values.

The obvious next question is, how much does a change in the ballistic coefficient have to be to alter bullet drop and wind drift? While both drop and drift are changed, in benchrest we are really only concerned with wind drift. If the 200 yard drop is affected, it is easy to change the elevation adjustment in the scope to compensate. Wind drift is not so easy to compensate for, though.

A bullet with a ballistic coefficient of .265 fired with a muzzle velocity of 3150 FPS, a reasonable figure from a 6PPC, would drift 1.05" at 100 yards and 4.50" at 200 yards in a 10 MPH wind.

In the same wind and with the same muzzle velocity a .300 ballistic coefficient bullet would drift .91" at 100 yards and 3.93" at 200 yards.

The .330 ballistic coefficient bullet would blow .81" at 100 yards and 3.55" at 200 yards with a 10 MPH wind and the same muzzle velocity.

Our cold Charlotte conditions and .256 ballistic coefficient would cause a drift of 1.09" at 100 yards and 4.67" at 200 yards.

In these examples, we can see that the same bullet under different atmospheric conditions would drift, at the most 1.09" at 100 yards and 4.67" at 200. This was Charlotte in the winter. Under the least dense air conditions in our examples, the bullet would drift .81" at 100 yards and 3.55" at 200 yards, Helena in the summer time. This is a difference of .28" at 100 yards and
1.12" at 200 yards.

The amount of wind drift a bullet undergoes is directly related to wind velocity. That is, if a 10 MPH wind will move a bullet one inch, a 20 MPH wind will move it two inches at the same target distance. Similarly a 5 MPH breeze would push it a half inch.

To summarize we have seen that changes in air density can have a somewhat significant change on the equivalent ballistic coefficient in extreme cases. A change in altitude will have the greatest influence followed by changes in temperature. Fluctuations in the humidity level will also change the air density and ballistic coefficient, but the amount is at most about one percent. Because humidity has such a small effect it can be ignored.

Increasing the temperature or altitude will increase the ballistic coefficient. Increasing the barometric pressure decreases the ballistic coefficient. It has the same effect as going down in elevation. Remember an inch of pressure is equivalent to 1000 feet of altitude.

Determining how much movement a particular condition is worth on the target is difficult at best. Firing a few shots on the sighter portion of the target during the "worst" wind can be helpful later in making a correct decision. Small groups can be the result of luck. Small aggregates however are the result of a good shooter properly shooting good equipment.

elko, nothing good said. I fear you may be leaving with a zeiss. ;)
 
You guys are all nuts! Huskemaw scopes are so good that you don't even need a gun or any shooting experience...you just fly out west, meet your guide who has one of these scopes mounted on a Gunwerkz custom rifle, and head out to the mountain. When you get there the guide will set up his spotting scope and find you a sheep or goat. You will then hike or ride three miles in the opposite direction...you know, to make it sporting. The guide will insist that you dry-fire a couple of times...wouldn't be ethical otherwise...and will then tell you to dial in 18,376 clicks of elevation and a dozen or so for windage. This is all true...and fully documented on film!!!

If I were you I would hold off for a few months. Huskemaw has a new model coming out that is so good you can just shoot off your back porch in Manitoba and nail that elk in Alberta...no pesky travelling required.
 
You guys are all nuts! Huskemaw scopes are so good that you don't even need a gun or any shooting experience...you just fly out west, meet your guide who has one of these scopes mounted on a Gunwerkz custom rifle, and head out to the mountain. When you get there the guide will set up his spotting scope and find you a sheep or goat. You will then hike or ride three miles in the opposite direction...you know, to make it sporting. The guide will insist that you dry-fire a couple of times...wouldn't be ethical otherwise...and will then tell you to dial in 18,376 clicks of elevation and a dozen or so for windage. This is all true...and fully documented on film!!!

If I were you I would hold off for a few months. Huskemaw has a new model coming out that is so good you can just shoot off your back porch in Manitoba and nail that elk in Alberta...no pesky travelling required.

I have a fudd friend that bought one for his 300 weatherby, and he actually BELIEVES this crap. He got really mad when I giggled at his idea that he was going to drop an Elk or Moose with the "Drop Compensated reticle" at 800yrds!?!?!?
 
I have a fudd friend that bought one for his 300 weatherby, and he actually BELIEVES this crap. He got really mad when I giggled at his idea that he was going to drop an Elk or Moose with the "Drop Compensated reticle" at 800yrds!?!?!?

Sadly, I have a close relative who falls into this category as well. Doesn't practice, just spends money on gear, 'cuz fancy gear trumps experience every time.:rolleyes:

Catalog cowboys...
 
You guys are all nuts! Huskemaw scopes are so good that you don't even need a gun or any shooting experience...you just fly out west, meet your guide who has one of these scopes mounted on a Gunwerkz custom rifle, and head out to the mountain. When you get there the guide will set up his spotting scope and find you a sheep or goat. You will then hike or ride three miles in the opposite direction...you know, to make it sporting. The guide will insist that you dry-fire a couple of times...wouldn't be ethical otherwise...and will then tell you to dial in 18,376 clicks of elevation and a dozen or so for windage. This is all true...and fully documented on film!!!

If I were you I would hold off for a few months. Huskemaw has a new model coming out that is so good you can just shoot off your back porch in Manitoba and nail that elk in Alberta...no pesky travelling required.

Great copywriting. Not even King-of-BS-Optics makes claims like that... yet.

:) Stuart
 
There is one option for long range shooters ... NIGHT FORCE FOR LIFE !

Yea except for those other options of Schmidt and bender , monarch , zeiss and others :p


I'll put my S&B's up against any other scope for optical clarity any day. As I recal the monarchs use the same glass as SB but I'll still go SB


As for the huskimaws , let's leave it at... You won't ever catch me spending my coin on one
 
Nah!

Definately a Nah for me as well. The optical clarity is sub par compared even to my bushnell tacticals and my Vortex Viper PST as well. And this is at half the price of the huskemaw. Plus, I have turrets, they are in MOA and allow me to shoot whatever distance I am capable of, in whatever altitude and whatever atmospheric conditions I want.

I did see the BOTW show last night stating that they had figured out a rule of thumb to negate the calibrated turret option for altitude and temperature changes, but to me, my Bulletflight app, or isnipe, or exbal, whatever you have is the best option and will calculate the right solution for your load inputs in any conditions.

Huskemaw equals epic fail.
 
i dont own but i shot one in par with a bushenell 6500 2.5-16x42 the Huskemaw one was not the last blue diamond but was a X50.

the temp was below -26°c and windy. so the snow was blowing.

there were no differences between the both on the optics side and of course there are coming both from the same factory in Japan LOW to name it that is making many many lenses and optics.

the only difference really is the tunnel vision that make Huskemaw less easy to use but for the price ill go on bushnell elite.

and best of the west is not for me too ....
 
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