Hypothetical Scenario – Question:

ckc123 said:
You should really do your homework before you start calling BS.

here is a quote from an MNR officer who responsed to my question on this (Via another MNR office who I hunt Moose with)
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Perfect!! All you need is a 6-pack and you're good to go!:) I don't need homework, thanks. I already know the laws, and as I stated previously there is nothing illegal about target shooting on crown land or in the off season. I do it all the time.

BTW I deer hunt with 3 MNR officers.;)
 
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cdngunner said:
OK folks

Anybody got the stats on bear attacks in Ontaro for the last twenty years.

Never mind......



Unless you've got a pound or two of bacon strapped to your ass or your traveling in a well used dumpster, chances of getting attacked by a bear are pretty slim.

For you from out west, we dont really need to carry because we dont have grizzly. Honestly I am more afraid of getting attacked by a cow moose with young.

CO's WILL interprid that you are hunting if you are carrying a loaded firearm around in the bush. It will be up to YOU to prove them wrong!!!!!!!

If you have one squared away, somewhat handily available there should be now problem. But then again this is lieberal ontario!
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The odds of a CO finding and charging you is about the same odds as being attacked by the bear.

If it makes you feel better, just carry your shotgun, since obviously the benefits outweight the risks.
 
Has anyone that is actually legitimitely carrying a firearm for defense,been charged with this BS law?

Cal , there is a section( 109 ) in the FWCA that is a reverse onus
section , if you are in a wildlife inhabited area wt a firearm the onus
is on you to show that you are not hunting , crown land or private
property makes no difference , if the individual can show that they are
target shooting( tin cans lined up , targets up ) then there's no charge
, so if an individual is walking around a bush wt a firearm , no targets
, he's on thin ice , and may be charged for hunting related violations


Has yor provincial wildlife assocation made a stink abotu this BS law?
 
Gatehouse said:
Has anyone that is actually legitimitely carrying a firearm for defense,been charged with this BS law?

Cal , there is a section( 109 ) in the FWCA that is a reverse onus
section , if you are in a wildlife inhabited area wt a firearm the onus
is on you to show that you are not hunting , crown land or private
property makes no difference , if the individual can show that they are
target shooting( tin cans lined up , targets up ) then there's no charge
, so if an individual is walking around a bush wt a firearm , no targets
, he's on thin ice , and may be charged for hunting related violations


Has yor provincial wildlife assocation made a stink abotu this BS law?
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gate... this is Ontario!
 
The Ontario definition of hunting covers a lot of ground. From the Act:

“hunting” includes,

(a) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of, pursuing, chasing or shooting at wildlife, whether or not the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed, or

(b) capturing or harassing wildlife,

except that “hunting” does not include,

(c) trapping, or

(d) lying in wait for, searching for, being on the trail of or pursuing wildlife for a purpose other than attempting to kill, injure, capture or harass it, unless the wildlife is killed, injured, captured or harassed as a result,
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Then there is this from the Act:

Proof of hunting or trapping

109. In a prosecution under this Act in respect of hunting or trapping,

(a) proof that a person possessed, in an area usually inhabited by wildlife, a firearm, trap, decoy or other hunting or trapping device, a ferret or a specially protected raptor or other bird of prey, is proof, in the absence of evidence to the contrary, that the person was hunting or trapping, as the case may be; and
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Taken to the extreme and given the "reverse onus" a bird watcher can be charged with "hunting" unless he can prove it was "for a purpose other than."

I can be charged at my shooting club because I have a firearm and it is an area usually inhabited by wildlife.

A person in downtown Toronto can be charged with "hunting" if he has a carved duck decoy because there are lots of migratory birds in Toronto.

A ferret owner in Hamilton taking his pet for a walk in the park could also be charged with "hunting."

The list is potentially endless and limited only by one's paranoia-fueled imagination.

If you are too afraid of the COs to carry a firearm then don't. It's your choice to make.

But carrying a long gun in the Ontario bush is most definitely not illegal.

I've seen more bears in the bush in Ontario than COs and I'd rather my lawyer earned his fees defending me in court than wrapping up my estate. YMMV
 
I have been fishing and camping in the summer, clearly out of any open hunting seasons, and been approached by a CO while I was carrying a rifle. Both times it was my scoped Brno .22.
A C.O. stopped in at my campsite on the river and asked how the fishing was, had I caught anything etc. Nice chit chat. My rifle was leaned up against a tree, just out of reach from where I was sitting by the fire. He never mentioned the rifle even though he clearly saw it.
Another time my rifle was sitting atop my tackle box, unloaded on shore. About 20m from me. The CO approached, asked to see my fishing license, checked that I was not using bait, chatted for a quick 5 minutes and left. Never made mention of the rifle even after I had to move it to retreive my licence from the tacke box. He did not even mention that I should have the licence in my pocket instead of on shore.
Never met a CO that I didn't like.
I had my .22 with me to do some squirrel hunting or plinking. I now bring a short 12ga, magazine loaded with 3 3" 00 buck and 3 3" slugs, chamber empty. I would not fear a CO if I met one while I was carrying this firearm either. For the most part I think they are pretty reasonable and if you are acting reasonable with him and reasonable with the use of your firearm, then no harm, no foul. Some could be power-tripping psychos as well and try to cause you some trouble. Better to carry than to be eaten or mauled, or feed a bear one of your children.
 
Claybuster said:
The list is potentially endless and limited only by one's paranoia-fueled imagination.

If you are too afraid of the COs to carry a firearm then don't. It's your choice to make.

But carrying a long gun in the Ontario bush is most definitely not illegal.

I've seen more bears in the bush in Ontario than COs and I'd rather my lawyer earned his fees defending me in court than wrapping up my estate. YMMV
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Exactly what I've been saying. People are too scared/paranoid to leave the house with a gun anymore. Too many "what-ifs" to bother worrying about it.

Everyone stay home, I'll go camping. :cheers:
 
Most CO's I've known are not bunny hugging gun grabbers,rather they got into the job because they are die hard woodsmen themselves.Fact is,in NB at least,the original "Moose Wardens" back in the day were hired based on their reputation as being the most notorious poachers in the area,were paid a reward, and knew all the tricks.I have a good buddy that is a game warden and he ain't out there to screw anybody.....just play by the rules.
 
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A buddy of mine was sighting in his 300wm on his 20 acres in Yarker On which is 15-20 min north of Kingston. One of the locals heard the shooting and reported it to the police. They thought he was poaching deer because two deer ran across a field near the town. When two police officers arrived they assesed the situation and explained to him why they were called. After a lengthy conversation regarding shooting and hunting they said have a great day and left. By the way, this was mid summer on a Sunday afternoon. So if you are not hunting and are clearly utilizing your firearm within legal restrictions then don't fret over it.
 
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