I am starting to hate my AR! Please help!!Update post 65! Problem solved!!

Still alive said:
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We have a 4 gun zombie shoot coming up this Sunday! Bolt/ lever, semi auto, shotgun and handgun!
It may be a closed event (not sure) as the regular season is over.
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jason and a few others at poco been bugging me to try it out.

but i dont have a pump shotgun and kinda not in the mood on buying guns these days, i do have a citori over under
 
mikethebike said:
jason and a few others at poco been bugging me to try it out.

but i dont have a pump shotgun and kinda not in the mood on buying guns these days, i do have a citori over under
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No problem! Wait till the 2016 season, assuming we still have semi autos then!! It's mostly a black rifle shoot anyways. No membership fees, just match fees.
Just sign up on the emailing list and shoot the matches you want.
It's a great community! Everyone chips in on set up, shoots and take down.
There are a bunch of CGNers who shoot there.
No prizes for placing either, just pride. The draw prizes have been pretty awesome though. Can Ammo, Wanstalls, CTCS etc are great sponsors. A guy won a NEA x39 AR last night!
 
In an effort to keep the thread from derailing further....

Check your magazine catch. I'm not sure if that has been mentioned before, but it should have been.

Worn or out of alignment and it can definitely cause feeding issues.
 
duuder said:
In an effort to keep the thread from derailing further....

Check your magazine catch. I'm not sure if that has been mentioned before, but it should have been.

Worn or out of alignment and it can definitely cause feeding issues.
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Its ok! i'm derailing my own thread!
The VLTOR has the super big jumbo mag release. The mag retention is positive and there is minimal wiggle.
 
Beowulf mags are never reliable in either of my AR's under competition conditions...they just don't feed reliably - casual shooting they seem to work fine - clearly I slam them around harder when under stress...never used ATRS mags so can't comment
 
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Innavedaw said:
Beowulf mags are never reliable in either of my AR's...they just don't feed reliably...never used ATRS mags. I compete with LAR for multigun and Promag 5/30's for Service Comditions. No issues...
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I've had the same mags for a year. They've been fine till last night. These are the AA Beos, like the metal GI mags, not the plastic stuff. And we don't max load them for competition either.
 
If it was bought used it should be thouroughly gone through.
Checkout the tip of your gas tube.
I bought a barrel which supposedly had 1,000 rounds through it that was supposed to function flawlessly.
As you can see from the pic it's no surprise my 10.5" wouldn't run reliably.

It has run flawlessly since I installed the new gas tube.
Typically a 10.5" will use an H-2 buffer.
Check your recoil spring to be sure it is within spec.
A carbine length spring should have between 37-39 coils and be between 10.5"-10.0" ( Buffer springs shorten during their life cycle)
 
thump_rrr said:
If it was bought used it should be thouroughly gone through.
Checkout the tip of your gas tube.
I bought a barrel which supposedly had 1,000 rounds through it that was supposed to function flawlessly.
As you can see from the pic it's no surprise my 10.5" wouldn't run reliably.

It has run flawlessly since I installed the new gas tube.
Typically a 10.5" will use an H-2 buffer.
Check your recoil spring to be sure it is within spec.
A carbine length spring should have between 37-39 coils and be between 10.5"-10.0" ( Buffer springs shorten during their life cycle)
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Now this is going somewhere! Thanks!
 
First thing I think you should try is to go back to your regular ammo then if it still isn't functioning reliably try some Pmags or regular old USGI mags.
I did a CQB course in Sept and the guys running LAR, ATRS and Beowulf mags all seemed to have troubles at one time or another. I ran Pmags since the course was geared towards mag change drills anyway and I didn't have a single stoppage. Double feeds are usually a magazine issue. I have 3 of the AA Beowulf mags and they've all functioned perfectly so far but I haven't really run them hard yet other than a couple mag dumps at the end of the CQB course for fun.

One thing to try is to simply load one round into the mag then fire it and see if the bolt catch is grabbing the bolt face, the carrier or nothing. If it's anything other than the bolt face and you're short stroking and need to look into your gas system or recoil system. If it fires and locks on the bolt face every time I'm going to guess it's your magazines that are the problem. Weird if it all of a sudden started doing it with all of them though. As soon as I read double feed I usually go straight to blaming the magazine but usually it would only do it with one of your mags.
 
cr5 said:
First thing I think you should try is to go back to your regular ammo then if it still isn't functioning reliably try some Pmags or regular old USGI mags.
I did a CQB course in Sept and the guys running LAR, ATRS and Beowulf mags all seemed to have troubles at one time or another. I ran Pmags since the course was geared towards mag change drills anyway and I didn't have a single stoppage. Double feeds are usually a magazine issue. I have 3 of the AA Beowulf mags and they've all functioned perfectly so far but I haven't really run them hard yet other than a couple mag dumps at the end of the CQB course for fun.

One thing to try is to simply load one round into the mag then fire it and see if the bolt catch is grabbing the bolt face, the carrier or nothing. If it's anything other than the bolt face and you're short stroking and need to look into your gas system or recoil system. If it fires and locks on the bolt face every time I'm going to guess it's your magazines that are the problem. Weird if it all of a sudden started doing it with all of them though. As soon as I read double feed I usually go straight to blaming the magazine but usually it would only do it with one of your mags.
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Good to hear from you cr5!
I'm heading out today to test it out. I will do the one round idea. I will also bring the PMC and my AE ammo. The mag thing will be a problem. Since this is a competition rifle, I have to use LARs or Beo mags or I will not be competitive. So even if PMags work 100%, I still won't use them. It seems weird to say that a tier one AR rifle brand can only run 5 rd mags, doesn't it?
My issues happened with every mag. For the match, I started with the ATRS as it was the shortest mag with 3 AA Beos on the belt. After all the Stage 2 failures, I had bent shells and no mags left!
A CGNer told me VLTOR has a lifetime warranty and they have a distributor in Vancouver. I will be looking them up for some advice.
How wet must a Tier one rifle be to run properly?
 
I would never blame anything other than ####ty-ass mags before blaming a gun made by Vltor. I'd blame the ammo too.


An AR can run for many hundred rounds DRY before encountering any issues. Your issue isn't lube, I bet it's the ####ty-ass mags.
 
thump_rrr said:
If it was bought used it should be thouroughly gone through.
Checkout the tip of your gas tube.
I bought a barrel which supposedly had 1,000 rounds through it that was supposed to function flawlessly.
As you can see from the pic it's no surprise my 10.5" wouldn't run reliably.

It has run flawlessly since I installed the new gas tube.
Typically a 10.5" will use an H-2 buffer.
Check your recoil spring to be sure it is within spec.
A carbine length spring should have between 37-39 coils and be between 10.5"-10.0" ( Buffer springs shorten during their life cycle)
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Wait, some superstar gun plumber and it's acolytes will tell you it's impossible and that you're a moron (you're not, I have encountered this very problem before). I give them a few days to notice your post and the #### show will begin.
 
How many rounds through the mags? - Is it time for new mag springs? Are the followers worn, could be time to do them too. The least common rebuild done in the shooting world is a mag rebuild, which is dumb, because it's the one you're most likely to need. Very few shooters replace mag springs, and while it isn't ###y, it's cheap and helps the gun work properly.
 
Dietz said:
Wait, some superstar gun plumber and it's acolytes will tell you it's impossible and that you're a moron (you're not, I have encountered this very problem before). I give them a few days to notice your post and the #### show will begin.
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You mean Dwaisy and Crosshair, guys that have inspected thousands of C7s and C8s with that nub worn completely off without issues???? Oh but they are wrong because:

Dietz said:
I've seen it first hand with a friend's gun, and replacing the worn gas tube corrected the short stroking issues. I've read about it a few other times over the years on U.S. forums from industry profession.
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f:P:
 
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