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yodave said:
back to your original questions...........with your scope your going to get mediocre accuracy at longer range as you lack magnification, second if you don't reload then your only going to get the accuracy you can achieve with factory ammo that is produced to work in every rifle regardless of make.
so with that in mind it really doesn't matter what rifle you start with at this point........
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OP, keep this in mind, if you are getting into shooting for accuracy, reloading is a must.
 
AndrewNS said:
OP, keep this in mind, if you are getting into shooting for accuracy, reloading is a must.
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How very true I do already reload though ..this is why I want to stick with 308 I have alot of equipment and a fair amount of knowledge about this cartridge and am very fond of it.
I am not new to shooting or loading for accuracy.. just to heavy barelled bench rest target bolt action type guns. :)
 
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silen said:
Havn't really given them much though to be honest..

it's looking like there isn't nearly as much love for the 700 as I have seen in the past ?
& kinda looking like savage 12 might be worth a serious looking into??
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My first precision rig was a 700, in 308. I bought a varmint model and put an hs precision stock on it, bedded the action and started hand loading. I get 3/4 moa groups at 300m with this set up. I wouldn't go any other way. I own a savage in .223 and it is a good gun but I do prefer the remington. I've never shot a competition, was never tasked to neutralize a threat or do anything other than hit a sheet of paper or gong at a given distance. Now that you know my credentials I will tell you that I have shot and made reliable centre mass hits on a torso gong at 1000yrds and have shot a 7" group at 900m (do note the unit change cause it makes a difference.) I did that with my Rem 308 so my vote goes in that direction.
 
yodave said:
back to your original questions...........with your scope your going to get mediocre accuracy at longer range as you lack magnification, second if you don't reload then your only going to get the accuracy you can achieve with factory ammo that is produced to work in every rifle regardless of make.
so with that in mind it really doesn't matter what rifle you start with at this point........
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It doesn't say anywhere that I plan on using factory ammo Sir or if I handload (which I do and have been for a long time) , Nor does it say that I will be sticking with that scope nor does it mention magnification? (I am not wealthy and plan on saving for a much better one) I am enquiring about the rifle build or choice for potential future build/parts availability and accuracy out of the box. So on that note, given those items were stated.....yes it does matter very much what rifle I start with and spend my hard earned on...
thanks though for the assumptions and lack of useful feedback :)

my grammar is terrible and for this I apologize, english is not my first written language.
 
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Gunslingr said:
My first precision rig was a 700, in 308. I bought a varmint model and put an hs precision stock on it, bedded the action and started hand loading. I get 3/4 moa groups at 300m with this set up. I wouldn't go any other way. I own a savage in .223 and it is a good gun but I do prefer the remington. I've never shot a competition, was never tasked to neutralize a threat or do anything other than hit a sheet of paper or gong at a given distance. Now that you know my credentials I will tell you that I have shot and made reliable centre mass hits on a torso gong at 1000yrds and have shot a 7" group at 900m (do note the unit change cause it makes a difference.) I did that with my Rem 308 so my vote goes in that direction.
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thank you for your input :) any informative input is very much appreciated !
 
In regards to Tikka:
- Plastic parts
- Limited aftermarket support
- Uses proprietary magazines (I am not aware of any AI options)
- Same bolt throw regardless of SA or LA (Maybe they fixed this? I doubt it)

Nothing on my list is necessarily bad. It all depends on what the end user has planned for the rifle long term. They are the reasons I never looked at them for very long. Tikka are attractive and generally accurate rifles though.
 
Fork a little bit more money and get that Sig SSG 3000 308 from Wanstalls, you will never look back after that, all the ones you named are good but here you kind get a semi custom from a maker with extra accurate rifles all ready proven... In my book that is... JP.
 
Ok, so maybe I was wrong also... It looks like the Remington following has died off, either that or none of the 700 fans have opened your thread...

I would still say Savage, the out of the box accuracy that the rifle is capable of is better than most shooters are capable of and there are upgraded barrel options just like the 700's. I'm the same as you though, I like to be different and have something that isn't the same as everyone else on the firing line.
 
I'd look at a Remington 700 5R. Very nice guns, not real common, and I've never heard anything bad about them accuracy wise. Stainless action and bull barrel. You should be able to pick up a slightly used one for $1000, or a new one for a couple hundred more. It really doesn't need anything additional, other than a trigger adjustment or replacement. They make them with a 20" or 24" bull barrel, the stock is an HS Precision.
 
Even the Rem R5 have serious QC issues, this summer at the range, i was zeroing the R5 308 of a friend, and could not adjust i was lacking windage, i finally took of the scope, to find out that the bases were very offset, took out the bases and i saw that the pre holes were not dead center, suggested to my friend to bring it back at the store, they took it back and i told him to take another make, he got a Tikka in 308, and it's all fine now... Buying a Remington is very hit or miss... JP.
 
I have both, a Savage 12 BR in .308 and a Rem 700 in .243. I reload for both.
The Savage is on it's third barrel and new one coming 2014, I replaced all of them myself.
The Rem is fairly new and is turning into a real shooter.

I started off with the Savage at the range, spent the money I saved on better reloading equipment
better glass, Chrony, etc.

For range use, the Savage is a great package, it wont break the bank.
It may not compete with the more fortunate shooters able to purchase custom rigs,
but it will provide you with years of range fun.

Both are great rifles, both will shoot well in the right hands with good loads.
If you want to start out with a reasonable budget, I recommend them both.
 
Just a suggestion... Go down to a store, and hold a CZ varmint rifle, or another type. I"m not making any other suggestion other than to just hold it and cycle it a few times... You might be very surprised...
 
OP, have you handled either the Savage or the Remington models that you are considering? I find that the grip angles on the Savages are more comfortable in my hands, but have lots of range buddies that prefer the grip angle of the Remington. It may come down to which you like the feel of better in your hands.

Both are good guns, both are good platforms to build off of, both are fairly well priced. Like so many things, it boils down to personal preferance.
 
Why a 308 if its solely a target rifle for ranges out to 400yards?

.223 can EASILY do 400y, and you'll save a hell of a lot of money in ammo. I had a Rem 700 Varmint in 223 and it shot cloverleafs with factory ammo at 100m. Very accurate
 
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