I can't f@*&ing believe this!!!

chofo said:
You know... we own these things.
We bought and paid for them.
Our fathers carried them through two major wars and many, many smaller conflicts.
They carried them in the defence of a nation which is now being run by the most disconnected, arrogant, self-righteous and fascist sons-of-#####es on Earth.
I am f**king pissed. Really f**king pissed.
Good Old General $hit-for-brains and that slack-jawed yokel Defence Minister we have see nothing wrong with using CF aircraft as their own personal kit...like some entitled Saudi prince.Yet when it comes time to do the right thing and release bona-fide pieces of Canadian history to the very people who carried them in the field...THEY SAY NO !!!
Who the hell is running the show in Ottawa... a bunch of f^cking Barneys...that's who.
Man o man wow. Mad now.
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Easy does it slick. The CDS is no ordinary Deputy Minister. His "department" is scattered all over the world, and they work better when the boss comes by to see how they are doing. Air Canada doesn't fly into Kandahar. The CDS is the exact opposite of every DM in the government who is trying very hard to be completely anonymous. Nor can I think of any other department that has a fleet of jets for this reason.

The MND has a public role because he stands up for the PM far away from Ottawa when every other minister is manoeuvering to suck up for a better Cabinet position. Like the CDS, the Minister needs to be seen to be doing his job.

Canada has had two good CDS/MND teams. Hillier and O'Connor and later Peter (forget for a minute), and now Natynchuk. We got into the Decade of Darkness because the pairing hasn't worked properly.
 
chofo said:
Good Old General $hit-for-brains and that slack-jawed yokel Defence Minister we have see nothing wrong with using CF aircraft as their own personal kit...like some entitled Saudi prince......
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Maple is right you might want to lighten up on Walt.

there is nothing indicating his stamp on this and it has been likely SOP for a very long time

its your military and if you don't like the way things are being done .....tell somebody

as for flights ......are you gonna let the CBC give you your opinion?
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Easy does it slick. The CDS is no ordinary Deputy Minister. His "department" is scattered all over the world, and they work better when the boss comes by to see how they are doing. Air Canada doesn't fly into Kandahar. The CDS is the exact opposite of every DM in the government who is trying very hard to be completely anonymous. Nor can I think of any other department that has a fleet of jets for this reason.

The MND has a public role because he stands up for the PM far away from Ottawa when every other minister is manoeuvering to suck up for a better Cabinet position. Like the CDS, the Minister needs to be seen to be doing his job.

Canada has had two good CDS/MND teams. Hillier and O'Connor and later Peter (forget for a minute), and now Natynchuk. We got into the Decade of Darkness because the pairing hasn't worked properly.
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I guess getting picked up by a coast guard helicopter from a salmon fishing trip is critical for national defence....While the current government is shutting down the coast guard dispatch center in St. John's.
 
davemccarthy707 said:
I guess getting picked up by a coast guard helicopter from a salmon fishing trip is critical for national defence....While the current government is shutting down the coast guard dispatch center in St. John's.
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Coast Guard choppers are red and white. Search and Rescue birds are bright yellow. From my point of view, there are not enough Cormorant airframes for the size of our airspace. (Which party was in power when they were bought?) Then there are problems because these helos have a high unserviceability rate. Last summer the Americans sold their Presidential Flight choppers which are a similar model. We bought everything they had for sale. Maybe a few more Cormorants will be available as a result.
 
Being in the CF and having fired both the SIG and BHP, I would choose the BHP anyday.
They may be clunky and heavy but they are very reliable and could be disassembled by a retarded monkey. It is a crime that our Gov't won't sell these fine pistols to law abiding citizens while pumping much needed cash back into our defence budget. They must want us to support Commie China's economy by buying Norinco pistols instead of a similarly priced Canadian gun.
 
Everyone should be hitting the above link... let's do this folks!

A little grass-roots politicking!!

I have sent this letter to Mr. Harper, Mr. Flaherty, and my MP, Nicole Turmel of the NDP.

Use it as an example if you wish, or even just copy and paste. Just do it !


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Dear Sir,

In Saturday’s “ Ottawa Sun” I see the CF are set to upgrade their issue sidearm, and retire their venerable Canadian-made Inglis pistols.

The galling thing about this article is that these old pistols are to be smelted down, instead of being sold to law-abiding Canadians.

These pistols are, in fact, a distilled essence of Canadian military history, and to destroy them would be a slap in the face to every Canadian citizen here, and an insult to the veterans who carried them through every conflict this country has been involved in for the last 70 years.

Make no mistake… these pistols are totally legal to own, with modern versions being sold in this country to this very day! They cannot in any way, shape or form, be considered an “Assault” type of weapon. They are semiautomatic pistols, pointe finale, and would be perfectly legal for ANY Canadian to own, if he or she so desire.

Sir, these heirlooms could be sold to the public and the proceeds turned back into the CRF, thus helping with the deficit. And no, I am not being facetious…every bit counts, doesn’t it?

The main point of this communiqué, however, is this wanton and totally unjustified destruction of Canadian history without any regard for the rights and opinions of your voting public.

I suggest that you do the right thing, Sir, and set in motion an Order in Council to allow the eventual sale of this surplus material to the Canadian public.

My father carried one during the Second World War. I carried one as an Infantry Officer some 20 years ago.

What in God’s name has changed in this country since then. It is disgraceful.

Regards,
 
I don't understand why these pistols cannot be sold to license holders.

Police Ordnance outside of Toronto sells ex-police pistols.
[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]"We often have Agency pre-owned firearms that we offer to the civilian market."[/FONT]
 
Not to rain on the parade, but getting authority to release the BHP for private sale would be an achievement akin to the second coming of Christ.:eek:

For a long, long time it has been both DND and govt policy to dispose of small arms by smelting. This is largely driven by political considerations, rather than by any kind of cost analysis on the revenues which might otherwise be derived from sales as firearms.
I see nothing but a monolithic stone wall on this by both DND and their political masters. In the first case DND cannot legally dispose of surplus property by sale to a CF member of the general public. All DND and other government surplus disposals are mandated to go through CADC/PWGSC. DND is also very much in the CYA/risk averse mode when it comes to potential mis-use of surplus military weapons and weapons systems. For example, many yrs ago there was a great paperchase and "who shot John" exercise over the fact that an ex-CF F86 Sabre had augered in at an airshow in the US resulting in several deaths. The result of this was to suspend any sales of surplus fighters to private individuals or corporations. Indeed, the CYA became so strong that surplus aircraft which are set up as monuments can only be "loaned" by DND with DND supervising the installation of these, incl demilitarization by severing wing spars, etc.

Now imagine DND taking the heat over an ex-CF pistol, of all things, being mis-used in some way. Also, bear in mind the UN protocols on surplus small arms destruction/disposal which Canada has signed on to, and which tightly regulate and limit the sale or transfer or military small arms. This would also be highly provocative to the anti-gun constituencies in Quebec and our large urban centers, a voting block which the Conservatives would not willingly go out of their way to alienate. I think that the best we can expect from them is the long-promised elimination of the long gun registry.
 
The US has their CMP program... Canada needs something similar. Sell off the old CF and RCMP inventories to those of us who bought them in the first place.

That said, even the CMP seems to be running out of good quality rifles to sell.

I have to wonder why that is, when there are all kinds of Garands and Carbines over in Korea with a lot of taxpayers willing to import them. And that's just Korea!

It can't JUST be a few Hillary's and Obama's, can it ? We 're being disarmed so slowly that we don't seem to notice, but we are losing ground every day.

I think collecting Milsurp will be very different in about 10 years, if the NWO has it's way.

Next up... no "Grandfathering" of your collections... your kids will have to give them up immediately to the Man. Buy 'em back as a Toyota.

Ah, well... Forrest was right... life IS like a box of chocolates, you never know when you'll get a mouthfull of sh!t...
 
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