I.D. flags?

nelly

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Friend of mine has come into possession of the below two flags / colours / banners.

Anybody able to i.d. them?

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Thanks in advance,

Neal
 
top flag looks like sometime between 1905 and 1949, has 9 provinces in confederation

second flag a bit tricker, but I'm guessing Upper and Lower Canada, NB, NS, and PEI, so my history is not that good, but early confederations, note No BC
 
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From the canadianheritage.gc.ca/

The Red Ensign, a red flag with the Union Jack in the upper corner, was created in 1707 as the flag of the British Merchant Marine. From approximately 1870 to 1904, it was used on land and sea as Canada's flag, with the addition of a shield in the fly bearing the quartered arms of Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Although its use on land had never been sanctioned except by public usage, in 1892 the British admiralty approved the use of the Red Ensign for Canadian use at sea. This gave rise to the name the Canadian Red Ensign.

As new provinces entered Confederation, or when they received some mark of identification (sometimes taken from their seal), that mark was incorporated into the shield on the Canadian Red Ensign. By the turn of the century, the shield was made up of the coats of arms of the seven provinces then in Confederation.
 
From the canadianheritage.gc.ca/

The Red Ensign, a red flag with the Union Jack in the upper corner, was created in 1707 as the flag of the British Merchant Marine. From approximately 1870 to 1904, it was used on land and sea as Canada's flag, with the addition of a shield in the fly bearing the quartered arms of Ontario, Quebec, Nova Scotia and New Brunswick. Although its use on land had never been sanctioned except by public usage, in 1892 the British admiralty approved the use of the Red Ensign for Canadian use at sea. This gave rise to the name the Canadian Red Ensign.

As new provinces entered Confederation, or when they received some mark of identification (sometimes taken from their seal), that mark was incorporated into the shield on the Canadian Red Ensign. By the turn of the century, the shield was made up of the coats of arms of the seven provinces then in Confederation.

exactly and with Alberta and saskatchewan joining confederation in 1905 that makes 9 (top flag)

just have to figure out when BC joined to narrow the first flag down

oh and I missed MB

Alberta September 1, 1905
British Columbia July 20, 1871
Manitoba July 15, 1870
New Brunswick July 1, 1867
Newfoundland March 31, 1949
Northwest Territories July 15, 1870
Nova Scotia July 1, 1867
Nunavut April 1, 1999
Ontario July 1, 1867
Prince Edward Island July 1, 1873
Quebec July 1, 1867
Saskatchewan September 1, 1905
Yukon June 13, 1898

soI was wrong the first flag should be Upper Lower Canada (Que Ont) then NS and NB (1867) and MB (1870) but not BC in 1871 so the first flag should be dated at 1870-1871
 
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