I feel bad even asking this but... (FAL question)

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So first things first I'm not wanting to start an argument here about whether it should or should not be condoned I know people have issues with deactivating firearms. But as I was born 13 years to late to be able to own a FAL it's most likely the only way I'll ever be able to. So question is do these ever come up for sale deactivated and if so how much is it for one in decent condition?
 
Gnome75 said:
My question is what is the minimum requirements to be defined as a business or museum?

I was born in the 90s so I have the same issue as the op.
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You need to be issued a business license from the CFO in your province. Depending on the type of business, retail, gunsmith, range, etc, you will have different requirements for set up. You will also need to be an actual registered business, which is a process far more complicated than is worth spelling out here.

Important part is that there is no minimum age to be a business owner, and none of the restrictions on individual licensing regarding grandfathering are applicable to businesses.

gnmontey said:
Can you not just simply declare (to the CFC) yourself to be a collector?

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Yes, you can declare yourself a collector, but it will do absolutely nothing to effect your eligibility for grandfathered prohibited firearms.

trebor2880 said:
You wouldn't be able to collect anything more than what status your PAL allows. No?
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Correct. Being a collector nowadays just means you are no longer eligible for the automatic ATT license conditions.
 
Cameron SS said:
I don't quite understand the attraction of dewats. To me its like owning a dull sword or a pen that doesn't write.
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For me, it's a chance go get a look at a gun that I can't own. Due to the ageism written into our firearms act I can't legally own lots of guns unless it's has been deactivated. In spite of the age based discrimination of our unfortunately absurd legislation I have stood tall and have had found myself a way to get hands on with some guns of a bygone era... Thompson, sten, sterling, Bren, FAL all guns I'm not responsible enough to own at almost 40 but I can own a Dewat.
Also with the 12.whatever laws being what they are it's pretty hard to shoot them anyways.

But yeah.... I hear ya. My soul weeps a little each time.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
For me, it's a chance go get a look at a gun that I can't own. Due to the ageism written into our firearms act I can't legally own lots of guns unless it's has been deactivated. In spite of the age based discrimination of our unfortunately absurd legislation I have stood tall and have had found myself a way to get hands on with some guns of a bygone era... Thompson, sten, sterling, Bren, FAL all guns I'm not responsible enough to own at almost 40 but I can own a Dewat.
Also with the 12.whatever laws being what they are it's pretty hard to shoot them anyways.

But yeah.... I hear ya. My soul weeps a little each time.
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This pretty much sums up my frustrations exactly.
 
Deuce-deuce said:
For me, it's a chance go get a look at a gun that I can't own. Due to the ageism written into our firearms act I can't legally own lots of guns unless it's has been deactivated. In spite of the age based discrimination of our unfortunately absurd legislation I have stood tall and have had found myself a way to get hands on with some guns of a bygone era... Thompson, sten, sterling, Bren, FAL all guns I'm not responsible enough to own at almost 40 but I can own a Dewat.
Also with the 12.whatever laws being what they are it's pretty hard to shoot them anyways.

But yeah.... I hear ya. My soul weeps a little each time.
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I'm the minimum age for a prohib. problem is, I didn't know enough back then. I had a PAL (no R), and no family members that were into shooting. its crap that the year you are born can determine what you can own.
 
crash277 said:
turning 38 in 2008 is the youngest you can be to have a prohib. that crap came into force in 98 and you had to be 18.
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To Own a 12.2 prohibited, you needed to own one on Dec 31, 1977. Meaning the minimum age to own one is 57 years old.

For 12.3 and 12.4 prohibs, you needed to own one on July 31 and July 27, 1992, respectively. Minimum age 43, depending on your birthday.

For 12.5, prohibs, cutoff was Jan 1 1995, minimum age 40 years old.

For all of the above, to own a given firearm at such a young age would have required a young person, on or near their 18th birthday to go out and purchase a typically rather expensive and rare firearm, and at full market value, not today's bargain prices. Alternatively, they could have been given such a firearm by a relative, or as a result of inheritance. In reality I suspect the majority of these firearms are in the hands of grandfathered individuals who are much older than the minimum, or are in the hands of ineligible heirs who kept them without any avenue of doing so legally.

For 12.6.1 handguns, there is no age cut off, as they can still be transferred under 12.7, however you needed to have at least one in your family tree December 1, 1998.

I am younger than 38 and I have legal prohibs. As soon as my kids turn 18 and are eligible for an RPAL, they can have one too if they want it. Fortunately my grandfather went on a shopping spree of pre-46 12.6.1 handguns before he died, to ensure all of his descendants could have a prohib if they wanted one.
 
Cameron SS said:
To Own a 12.2 prohibited, you needed to own one on Dec 31, 1977. Meaning the minimum age to own one is 57 years old.

For 12.3 and 12.4 prohibs, you needed to own one on July 31 and July 27, 1992, respectively. Minimum age 43, depending on your birthday.

For 12.5, prohibs, cutoff was Jan 1 1995, minimum age 40 years old.

For all of the above, to own a given firearm at such a young age would have required a young person, on or near their 18th birthday to go out and purchase a typically rather expensive and rare firearm, and at full market value, not today's bargain prices. Alternatively, they could have been given such a firearm by a relative, or as a result of inheritance. In reality I suspect the majority of these firearms are in the hands of grandfathered individuals who are much older than the minimum, or are in the hands of ineligible heirs who kept them without any avenue of doing so legally.

For 12.6.1 handguns, there is no age cut off, as they can still be transferred under 12.7, however you needed to have at least one in your family tree December 1, 1998.

I am younger than 38 and I have legal prohibs. As soon as my kids turn 18 and are eligible for an RPAL, they can have one too if they want it. Fortunately my grandfather went on a shopping spree of pre-46 12.6.1 handguns before he died, to ensure all of his descendants could have a prohib if they wanted one.
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The bolded part is exactly what I put in my first post that precluded me.

I had a PAL (no R), and no family members that were into shooting.
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