I had to cringe watching this.

bearhunter said:
C'mon you guys, quit sniveling. Rusty, pitted bore, no replacement barrels to be had and a very common rifle.

If everyone keeps these things as issued, they will never increase in value.

The guy is admittedly a bit of a butcher but he's working on the cheap with what he has to hand. He's taking a working rifle and making it more appropriate to his needs/desires.

There is nothing to distinguish that old girl from a couple of hundred thousand, maybe more, buried in basements/closets/safes etc.

If everyone had kept their No1 and No4 Lee Enfields in as issued condition, they would be worth about what the Mosins are selling for now.

At least that particular rifle has a chance of still being useful. Lots of bubbas work in the past, sent his efforts to the scrap bin.
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i would not care if my mosins or any other surplus was the same price each one has a history especially the 91/30 there is almost none that was not issued reasone for rusty bores could be a number of things it could have sat somewhere not cleaned
 
It's his rifle, and he can do with it what he wants, sure.

Doesn't change the fact the man is a hamhanded butcher. There are ways to do this, and ways not to do this. Filing the inside of the muzzle is wrong, and will destroy accuracy. Hacking the stock looks like ass. An unsquare muzzle is an aesthetic affront.

The dude's an arseclown. I don't object to him chopping up his rifle, but I do object to his simpleminded hillbilly approach.
 
antiqueguy said:
i would not care if my mosins or any other surplus was the same price each one has a history especially the 91/30 there is almost none that was not issued reasone for rusty bores could be a number of things it could have sat somewhere not cleaned
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If every bit of history had to be preserved, the world would be up to its armpits in old junk that just rots away. There comes a time to discard certain items. Preserving the best items makes for good common sense.

Enhancing a borderline version and extending its usefullness is just more good sense.

The fellow in the video, reminds me of all the unskilled, ham handed, wannabe gunsmiths back in the 50s-60s-70s. Some really nice firearms were literally destroyed by their attempts to create the cheapest sporter they possibly could.

I certainly don't condone his methods, which are ugly to say the least but I've seen some very nicely done modifications where nothing more than a few hand tools that were available were used. The results, done with people that actually knew how to use the tools were in some cases spectacular and they performed well in the field.

If it weren't for the efforts of BUBBA, I can guarantee you would not be enjoying the fruits of the hunting and firearms culture you do today.

Just like now, the cheap milsurps/ammo make it possible for those with limited funds to enjoy the shooting/hunting sports.

Just like now, decent sporters were way beyond the means of the majority of people and only the wealthy could afford to participate.

I can still remember the people that considered themselves to be upper class, complaining about how many undesireables were taking up the sport.
 
bearhunter said:
If every bit of history had to be preserved, the world would be up to its armpits in old junk that just rots away. There comes a time to discard certain items. Preserving the best items makes for good common sense.

Enhancing a borderline version and extending its usefullness is just more good sense.

The fellow in the video, reminds me of all the unskilled, ham handed, wannabe gunsmiths back in the 50s-60s-70s. Some really nice firearms were literally destroyed by their attempts to create the cheapest sporter they possibly could.

I certainly don't condone his methods, which are ugly to say the least but I've seen some very nicely done modifications where nothing more than a few hand tools that were available were used. The results, done with people that actually knew how to use the tools were in some cases spectacular and they performed well in the field.

If it weren't for the efforts of BUBBA, I can guarantee you would not be enjoying the fruits of the hunting and firearms culture you do today.

Just like now, the cheap milsurps/ammo make it possible for those with limited funds to enjoy the shooting/hunting sports.

Just like now, decent sporters were way beyond the means of the majority of people and only the wealthy could afford to participate.

I can still remember the people that considered themselves to be upper class, complaining about how many undesireables were taking up the sport.
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i hunt with bubbaed and crapcoed milsurps no problem i dont see what the point of cutting up a gun what this guy did was take a $50 mosin and make it into a $20 mosin action in my eyes not worth dime now and he destroyed a piece of history

they way i see milsurps is we sould take care of them and pass them on with pride not bubba them the attitude with the mosins now is the same attitude that was there when lee enfield where bubbaed back in the day there is no need for it now you can get hunting rifles for cheap buy them or hunt with the milsurp as is
 
Sadly, historical value and dollar value do not always correlate. If the Mosin was worth $500 dollars, would it be any less of a travesty that it got chopped up? You can buy a WW2 Canadian Silver Service medal for little more than it's scrap value, how many are sold for their value in silver with no respect for the life it represents? Sadly, I expect there are still Bubbas out there cutting up old Enfields that think it's "cool" .
 
vinver said:
Sadly, historical value and dollar value do not always correlate. If the Mosin was worth $500 dollars, would it be any less of a travesty that it got chopped up? You can buy a WW2 Canadian Silver Service medal for little more than it's scrap value, how many are sold for their value in silver with no respect for the life it represents? Sadly, I expect there are still Bubbas out there cutting up old Enfields that think it's "cool" .
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what i would do if i need a ww2 metal being sold for scrap i have most of my family medals thank god

someone cutting up a lee enfield today is even worse then cutting a mosin
 
Dark Alley Dan said:
It's his rifle, and he can do with it what he wants, sure.

Doesn't change the fact the man is a hamhanded butcher. There are ways to do this, and ways not to do this. Filing the inside of the muzzle is wrong, and will destroy accuracy. Hacking the stock looks like ass. An unsquare muzzle is an aesthetic affront.

The dude's an arseclown. I don't object to him chopping up his rifle, but I do object to his simpleminded hillbilly approach.
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My thoughts exactly!!!
 
antiqueguy said:
i hunt with bubbaed and crapcoed milsurps no problem i dont see what the point of cutting up a gun what this guy did was take a $50 mosin and make it into a $20 mosin action in my eyes not worth dime now and he destroyed a piece of history

they way i see milsurps is we sould take care of them and pass them on with pride not bubba them the attitude with the mosins now is the same attitude that was there when lee enfield where bubbaed back in the day there is no need for it now you can get hunting rifles for cheap buy them or hunt with the milsurp as is
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In all honesty, that's exactly what happened when bubba go ahold of most of those milsurps between 1950 and 1970. They were under the impression they could do make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. They took $10 rifles, many new in grease, some new in wrap or cardboard boxes with manufacturers tags, and with their surplus hacksaw for 25 cents with a dozen blades include and a 50 cent wood saw and proceeded to make metal and wood chips fly. On both Mausers and Lee Enfields, they would discard all of the metal pieces they felt weren't necessary to the accuracy and functioning of the rifle. King screw spacers on Lee Enfields and rear spacing pillars on Mausers were usually the first pieces to go or be lost. Most of them had no clue about bedding or fore end pressure, so the results were usually less than spectacular.

It soon became obvious that components to turn them into jewels they would be proud of in the bush would cost them more than a new sporter and seeing as the damn things shot around corners anyway, just stuck them in a closet or in the rafters of the garage and forgot about them.

That's what will happen to the piece in the video. The only thing you need to do is bring your emotins in check and your values into perspective.
 
I can see shortening the barrel so it fit in the canoe better, however, mounting some sort of t-bar into the muzzle end of the barrel would make paddling much easier on the hand.;)
 
*face palm* I loved how the burrs from the sawzall were removed. And here I was thinking that he was going to use a drill and a countersink bit.....nope a needle file.....down the bore
 
Why in gods name do they call them Car-beens????? There is absolutely no reason in the english language to ever validate that pronunciation! I don't know why it bugs me so much... but it's not even a matter of emphasis, it's just fricking wrong.
 
H Wally said:
Why in gods name do they call them Car-beens????? There is absolutely no reason in the english language to ever validate that pronunciation! I don't know why it bugs me so much... but it's not even a matter of emphasis, it's just fricking wrong.
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you got to learn the many different US accents most southern ones call them car-beens or how they authoritah
 
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