I hate my Glock
- Thread starter Steel355
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As for you missing out by not trying a Glock, you'd be correct. However I don't think you're interested in boringly reliable, dead simple functional tools like Glocks. You're likely more of a "lets spend hours talking about kitchen table gunsmithing of our unreliable, overweight, outdated dinosaur guns with shiny steel slides and tacky logo'd grips(see punisher). I'm a fan of Glocks, but not because its a Glock. I'm a fan of guns that are simple, reliable and work. That narrows the field significantly.
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...but I love my 1911's (that all have hardwood DD grip panels), and my G17Gen4 has a "Punisher" back plate on it, and I think it rocks, so do my kids...so where does that put me in TDC's world?...{brace for impact}
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...but I love my 1911's (that all have hardwood DD grip panels), and my G17Gen4 has a "Punisher" back plate on it, and I think it rocks, so do my kids...so where does that put me in TDC's world?...{brace for impact}
r34skyline
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Why not sell them to me at 450 per glock?
Tongarirohiker
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Speaking generally, people do not want to believe that the problem is with them. For example, there are guys who buy a thousand dollar set of irons, throw down $700 on a driver and expect to play golf like Tiger Woods back in 2000. I worked in a golf course pro shop and I would see the same guys show up to the shop every spring, or after every major championship to buy whatever the guy who won was playing. Usually, those guys were sitting on a 15-30 handicap.
Then you take a look at the single digit handicappers, and most of them have been using the same woods and irons for the past 10 years. The few times that they would change equipment, it was due to either equipment failure (caved in face, broken shaft or head, etc.) or changes in physique. They went from being 30 to 40, and can't swing as quickly as they used to. What stayed consistent with them was their fundamentals. Grip, stance, address, takeaway, follow through.
Now let's switch to skiing. People will take one lesson, buy some cheap skis, ski a few runs, and then take on a black diamond run. When they realize they can't ski through a mogul field, they assume it's the skis. Don't believe it? Ask at your local ski shop. They get guys in there every year or two looking for a competitive edge. Guess what? They're not Alex Bilodeau or Jennifer Heil.
So, let's see...spending $1800 a year on golf clubs, or $75 on an hour with a CPGA pro so he actually knows how to use his clubs. $1000 on skis, or $120 on a ski lesson. Seems like simple economics to me. Those who say they can't get anything out of a single lesson are either not following it up with practice and application, or are only cherry picking the information they want. Well, you're not smart/talented enough in the area of interest to do that, because otherwise you'd be teaching the course, not taking lessons.
Back to the OP, my point here is that you made an investment in your Glock. Spend a little bit of time and money to learn how to get the most out of your investment. My guess is, you're not only going to learn to shoot your Glock better, you'll shoot all of your pistols better. As an example, the Basic Handgun Course at The Shooting Edge is $100 for three hours of instruction. $33/hour? Not bad. Or, I can spend $150 on a brick of 9mm ammunition, and not learn much of anything. The point isn't to get rounds down range, the goal is to make every single round count. Become a student of the sport, and not just a weekend hacker.
Then you take a look at the single digit handicappers, and most of them have been using the same woods and irons for the past 10 years. The few times that they would change equipment, it was due to either equipment failure (caved in face, broken shaft or head, etc.) or changes in physique. They went from being 30 to 40, and can't swing as quickly as they used to. What stayed consistent with them was their fundamentals. Grip, stance, address, takeaway, follow through.
Now let's switch to skiing. People will take one lesson, buy some cheap skis, ski a few runs, and then take on a black diamond run. When they realize they can't ski through a mogul field, they assume it's the skis. Don't believe it? Ask at your local ski shop. They get guys in there every year or two looking for a competitive edge. Guess what? They're not Alex Bilodeau or Jennifer Heil.
So, let's see...spending $1800 a year on golf clubs, or $75 on an hour with a CPGA pro so he actually knows how to use his clubs. $1000 on skis, or $120 on a ski lesson. Seems like simple economics to me. Those who say they can't get anything out of a single lesson are either not following it up with practice and application, or are only cherry picking the information they want. Well, you're not smart/talented enough in the area of interest to do that, because otherwise you'd be teaching the course, not taking lessons.
Back to the OP, my point here is that you made an investment in your Glock. Spend a little bit of time and money to learn how to get the most out of your investment. My guess is, you're not only going to learn to shoot your Glock better, you'll shoot all of your pistols better. As an example, the Basic Handgun Course at The Shooting Edge is $100 for three hours of instruction. $33/hour? Not bad. Or, I can spend $150 on a brick of 9mm ammunition, and not learn much of anything. The point isn't to get rounds down range, the goal is to make every single round count. Become a student of the sport, and not just a weekend hacker.
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Very well said and the analogies are so true!
I'm a 3 capper now. My irons are 4 years old and my 3 wd is 15 yrs old! It's always the indian, not the arrow.
What have you decided to do, OP? You've been quiet here...
Glocks don't have any grip angle/ergonomics/trigger or accuracy issues. Glocks (or any guns for that matter) that are being shot by complaining idiots who can't shoot anything (that requires actual skill) worth a damn do have issues, it's called a software issue.
There are two kinds of shooters, those who know their #### and those who don't. Especially on internet forums and especially this one.
Those who don't are the ones who complain all the time about Glock's grip angle, trigger and what not. Those people should ####ing shut the hell up, stop complaining about stuff they don't know or understand and start listening and learning from those who actually know their #### and usually pass off as arrogant bastards.
We pass off as arrogant bastards because we're ####ing sick and tired of morons who can't take real life talk without crying or pissing their pants and complaining on the internet about their feelings being hurt. You suck and you know it, we're not gonna sugarcoat it and tell you lies, we're not like that.
Look, we are sharing the experience and knowledge we've acquired over years and years of actual being there and doing it. If you can't shoot worth a damn it's not our problem, but we're willing to help you out and give you the actual facts if you're willing to put aside your girly feelings and ego.
It's your call, take the information or leave it, but stop complaining.
There are two kinds of shooters, those who know their #### and those who don't. Especially on internet forums and especially this one.
Those who don't are the ones who complain all the time about Glock's grip angle, trigger and what not. Those people should ####ing shut the hell up, stop complaining about stuff they don't know or understand and start listening and learning from those who actually know their #### and usually pass off as arrogant bastards.
We pass off as arrogant bastards because we're ####ing sick and tired of morons who can't take real life talk without crying or pissing their pants and complaining on the internet about their feelings being hurt. You suck and you know it, we're not gonna sugarcoat it and tell you lies, we're not like that.
Look, we are sharing the experience and knowledge we've acquired over years and years of actual being there and doing it. If you can't shoot worth a damn it's not our problem, but we're willing to help you out and give you the actual facts if you're willing to put aside your girly feelings and ego.
It's your call, take the information or leave it, but stop complaining.
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Stop the presses!
I managed to get my glock to FTF last week. I even have a witness!
That, or I limp-wristed it...
I do want to say that my glock 19's mag release is incredibly annoying as I try to hold the gun with my left hand... Keeps digging in my skin.
I managed to get my glock to FTF last week. I even have a witness!
That, or I limp-wristed it...
I do want to say that my glock 19's mag release is incredibly annoying as I try to hold the gun with my left hand... Keeps digging in my skin.
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#### measuring, this thread is (so) full of it.
Richard alert.
*edit* I was going to leave it at just that, but I simply can't...someone needs correction. @ the poster; If Glocks didn't have ergo/grip angle and texture issues why are we now in the 4th generation!? I would suggest that they (Glock) still haven't gotten it quite right (read perfect) where myself is concerned in any rate. The rake angle of the grip makes a shooter prone to "limpwristing" which as everyone here knows causes the firearm to stovepipe (which IMHO, is a significant problem as we're discussing a duty pistol).
Some internet hero's will say with proper training this problem is eliminated, therefore it isn't a problem. I call
, any firearm that can become inoperable through a course of fire for a known reason IS a problem. Glock all but acknowledges this with free replacement of recoil springs and ejector claws...yet the "problem" exists. So get off your high horse and don't crap on folks for their opinions...everyone has them and all are entitled to them, here, all can discuss them.As to your alcoholic fatherly rant in regards to hurt feelings, your so far out in left field it's laughable. I also doubt very much that you would talk to another grow man in the way you have done here without the anonymity of the internet, had you, I'll bet it would have been the last time after the well deserved "correction" you would have endured...but again, just my opinion.
Glocks are great! Actually my go to gun for its boring reliability, but is it ergonomically the most friendly pistol I own? Absolutely not!
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Glock, to me, is the gun equivalent of a Ford Crown Vic. It's utilitarian, meets a certain set of criteria, fairly reliable, cheap...I can see why it's popular with cops and cabbies. But personally, I would never buy one. Same thing with Glock. It's not a bad gun per se. But there are so many guns that are better.
OK, I went to the range today and only brought my Glock...
Bought 200 rounds of .40 and went to the line, fired off 50 rounds and the RTF frame was really started to bother me so I decide to put on a pair of mechanic gloves I had in my range bag.
Now this is where I don't understand what happened but, my grouping was cut in half ???
Before I had the gloves on tightest I was getting 7" at 10 meters but, with the gloves on it dropped to 3" to 4" grouping.
Fired 100 rounds with the gloves on and was constant 3 to 4".
I then tried the last 50 switching between gloves on for a mag and then gloves off for a mag.
Gloves on 3" to 4" group
Gloves off 7" to 8"
So I am confused???
By wearing gloves am I
Getting a better grip on the gun ?
Ever so slightly changing the grip I have on the gun ?
Maybe I'm not liking the RTF texture of the gun ?
It's night and day with the gloves on and off ?
Bought 200 rounds of .40 and went to the line, fired off 50 rounds and the RTF frame was really started to bother me so I decide to put on a pair of mechanic gloves I had in my range bag.
Now this is where I don't understand what happened but, my grouping was cut in half ???
Before I had the gloves on tightest I was getting 7" at 10 meters but, with the gloves on it dropped to 3" to 4" grouping.
Fired 100 rounds with the gloves on and was constant 3 to 4".
I then tried the last 50 switching between gloves on for a mag and then gloves off for a mag.
Gloves on 3" to 4" group
Gloves off 7" to 8"
So I am confused???
By wearing gloves am I
Getting a better grip on the gun ?
Ever so slightly changing the grip I have on the gun ?
Maybe I'm not liking the RTF texture of the gun ?
It's night and day with the gloves on and off ?
Brutus
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Better is such a relative term friend. I have never owned or yearned for a Glock of any kind. But in return for once loaning a Ruger 10-22 to a friend, he let me use his CZ-85 and his Glock Model 17 at an indoor range.
The CZ was kind of ho-hum, (And it hefted very nicely in my hands!) but I shot the Glock superbly on my very first try.
I mean my gun safe is chalk full of S&W/Colt revolvers, Ruger rimfires, one 1911 and even a few cap and ball pistols.
Freaked me out.......because I had no desire to own one and I did not think it would print so well for me at 20 yards.
a true story
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Tongarirohiker
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My guess is the texture. Allow me to draw yet another analogy to golf. I used to play with corded grips (threads embedded into the grip surface) for more texture. However, they would cause me to grip the club tighter because it felt like it was pulling on the skin of my hands too much. Tighter grip lead to a faster swing and a lot of mis-hits. When I switched to a smoother grip, or put a glove on, I couldn't feel the threads and this meant one less distraction so that I could focus on swing fundamentals.
So, looking at this psychologically, the texture of the grip is providing too much "input" to your brain and you're not able to focus on the fundamentals. It's distracting you. If you wanna test this theory, wrap the grip in masking tape to dull the texture. If your group stays tighter, I think you have your answer.
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