"My problem is with your bold unsubstantiated claims regarding Glocks. It is the shooter that makes the shot, so stop blaming the equipment. Doing it for 30 years doesn't mean you're doing it right. Based on your ignorant comments, you're doing it wrong, just like 99% of shooters as over 99% of shooters have never taken any form of professional training. You're not a natural shooter, and you can't self teach its that simple. Again, your comments and the lack of valid evidence to support are indicators that you have no idea what you're doing. Your statement that a different projectile would yield better results is yet another gimmick used by the unskilled. At typical handgun distances the projectile, calibre, brand etc makes no difference. What you also fail to realize as do most, is that the vast majority of handguns sold are SERVICE GUNS not competition models. If you're expecting to buy a SERVICE PISTOL and get Olympic level performance out it, you've already f**ked up and bought the wrong tool for the job. To build off that point, a service pistol is not designed nor intended for slow fire accurate work. They're built to be reliable and easy to press into service(see shooting people) with reasonable accuracy. There isn't as service pistol out there that is being shot to its full potential."
Do you have reading and comprehension problems TDC - or do you have a problem with me? I have never claimed that the Glock is anything BUT a service pistol. Chill out, buddy.
You suggested competing in a PRECISION match with a service pistol, which would be dumb as service pistols are not designed for said discipline.
What you're witnessing from those using Glocks is a complete lack of fundamentals, and it isn't exclusive to Glock shooters. You'll see a true honest level of performance from the Glock folks because the pistol does not cover up poor form like a single action gun does whether its polymer or not. That performance is entirely the user and not the tool.
If you say so. I haven't seen what I would call a proficient Glock shooter yet but that doesn't mean they don't exist. The pattern I see is that the noobs buy the Glocks and then ditch them as they become more knowledgeable and proficient and buy better pistols. The original post was 'I hate my Glock' and it is a sentiment I can sympathise with. Again - if you want to come to the range and show me how wrong I am I would appreciate the education.
No, what you're seeing are people who are unwilling to seek training and/or put the time and effort into learning the fundamentals. Instead they'd rather buy a heavy SA gun that covers up their poor form and pretend to know what they're doing.
Glock doesn't need to tighten tolerances, its a SERVICE PISTOL and its more than accurate enough. Have a look around here and online for long range shooting with handguns to include Glocks, its not that difficult. As for HK guns, they're good but grossly over priced and a b*tch to support. I've shot most of what HK offers and I am not flattered. They're simply DA/SA guns with a polymer frame and the LEM trigger is sh*t.
Well I guess we'll see you cleaning up on the precision events with your $700.00 Glock then...and all those guys with their tuned match guns wasted their money, right? LOL. Ya know I've seen this before hundreds of times. You get these keyboard dweebs that want to set themselves up as some kind of authority but you never see them at the range backing it up.
Have a look at the 25 metre thread and the many excellent scores shot by polymer guns. My casual screwing around is on post 87. I'll post a 25 yard group when I get the chance. Again, they're SERVICE PISTOLS so stop expecting Olympic level performance.
If you want to talk about HK, a little bit of honesty and informed opinion might be in order: Yes, they are overpriced. Some of their models probably aren't that great and may be no better than Glocks. I have no experience with those nor do I care to acquire it - I have other interests at this time. My experience is the the HK .45 USP Tactical. Mine has adjustable sights and is a cut rate version of their precision match gun - the HK Mark 23 that was adopted by SOCOM. (Maybe you should give shooting lessons to them, TDC? I'm sure they would appreciate your expertise). There WERE product support issues with some products about 5 years ago and complaints about standoffish behaviour from their reps in North America. There is no excuse for that - but having said that, there are other companies that have had similar problems (cough, cough COLT cough). For me it hasn't been an issue - I've put about 6000 rounds down the pipe and mine is still shooting like a champ. This is not an IPSC or pin gun and if you put 30 000 rounds down the pipe as fast as you can pull the trigger it will probably wear out like any other gun. About the only beef I have with mine other than the price is the polygonal rifling. It is not compatible with soft cast lead bullets as conventional rifling is. I will only shoot cast lead in mine if I cast it myself - that way I KNOW it has been cast as hard as I can make it. I don't know what our self proclaimed experts will make of this - but could care less. I don't really care for the tone and turn this discussion is taking anyways.
In any event, I will repeat this for the peanut gallery and the guys in the cheap seats and leave it at that: the Glock is not for everyone and if you hate it (or any other gun you have) - get rid of it and get what you want. If you like the Glock and shoot it well - smile and enjoy it. Meet me at the range if you would because I would like to see exactly what these guns can do in the hands of an expert. I have only seen pikers and law enforcement using them so for me it would be a learning experience.
