I have $2500 to throw away --- what would you spend it on, NOW ?

Superbrad said:
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Have fun paying 10 buck a round for your 30/30 you old Fudd . Because thats what coming if the UN and the Libs has its way with the small arms treaty .. You think im paranoid ? Well i think your naive and ill informed .
 
Ardent said:
I'd buy Leica Geovids, something that'll actually help you get your animal. The rifle's the least important part of the package.

Guess it really depends if you like guns, or if you like hunting most. In a perfect world you can enjoy both, it's simply expensive.
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Geovids are so nice... They are heavy though (at least mine are). Definitely not a mountain hunting bino. Too bad Kurgan is such a lame-o and is being "responsible" with his hard earned money!
 
Glock4ever said:
Geovids are so nice... They are heavy though (at least mine are). Definitely not a mountain hunting bino. Too bad Kurgan is such a lame-o and is being "responsible" with his hard earned money!
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Not a mountain hunting bino?? That's exactly what I want them for! :) Optics are the one thing I don't bother trying to shave weight on, as they're so critical to a mountain hunt's success. Plus the geovids mean you can dump one other piece of gear, the rangefinder, so I see them as pretty weight smart really!
 
Ardent said:
Not a mountain hunting bino?? That's exactly what I want them for! :) Optics are the one thing I don't bother trying to shave weight on, as they're so critical to a mountain hunt's success. Plus the geovids mean you can dump one other piece of gear, the rangefinder, so I see them as pretty weight smart really!
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Maybe it's just me but I found I prefer a lightweight low mag bino and spotting scope combo vs the geovid/spotting scope combo. I never use the LRF enough to warrant carrying the geovids but in all honesty I do flip back and forth depending on how I feel that day. Don't get me wrong I do love my geovids and I doubt I would ever get rid of them but there are some days when they sit in the truck. I have found that I am pretty good at estimating ranges within 600 meters so I don't feel the need to carry an LRF much anymore. Knowing an animal is at 854 yards isn't much use to me as I don't shoot that far.
 
Glock4ever said:
Maybe it's just me but I found I prefer a lightweight low mag bino and spotting scope combo vs the geovid/spotting scope combo. I never use the LRF enough to warrant carrying the geovids but in all honesty I do flip back and forth depending on how I feel that day. Don't get me wrong I do love my geovids and I doubt I would ever get rid of them but there are some days when they sit in the truck. I have found that I am pretty good at estimating ranges within 600 meters so I don't feel the need to carry an LRF much anymore. Knowing an animal is at 854 yards isn't much use to me as I don't shoot that far.
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You are a better man than I, or the best guide I employ who's also much better than me. Humans have horrific ranging ability, and the difference between 375 yards and 425 yards even with a .300 Win Mag 180gr is enough to put it under it or hit the front leg, let alone the difference between 500 and 600 yards (3 feet!).

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I'd have to witness this ability in person. People have blown me away in all sorts of capacities and dimensions of different sorts. Hell, half the time I'm off by a third in my guesses, and Gilchrist (fellow that wrote the book on mountain goat hunting / guiding) talks about ranges being half or double his initial impression in the days before lasers.

I'm sadly in his club, despite spending an awful lot of time guessing before I range it. I've been asking the mountain clients for fun to guess how far out X goat is... The answers are pretty eye opening for both of us, as I'll often concur that it's a reasonable guess at 550 say then... 790?!

Inside 200 yards, easy, inside 300 yards is actually getting challenging for me, by 400? I'm hopeless.
 
I bought my geovids a year or two before swaro and zeiss came out with their ranging binos. While I'm happy with my geovids, the swaros curb stomp them optically (I haven't looked thru the zeiss). If I was buying today it would be swaro (well I would look thru the zeiss first I guess) over Leica all day long.
 
Ardent said:
You are a better man than I, or the best guide I employ who's also much better than me. Humans have horrific ranging ability, and the difference between 375 yards and 425 yards even with a .300 Win Mag 180gr is enough to put it under it or hit the front leg, let alone the difference between 500 and 600 yards (3 feet!).

It's not that I don't believe you, it's just that I'd have to witness this ability in person. People have blown me away in all sorts of capacities and dimensions of different sorts. Hell, half the time I'm off by a third in my guesses, and Gilchrist (fellow that wrote the book on mountain goat hunting / guiding) talks about ranges being half or double his initial impression in the days before lasers.

I'm sadly in his club, despite spending an awful lot of time guessing before I range it. I've been asking the mountain clients for fun to guess how far out X goat is... The answers are pretty eye opening for both of us, as I'll often concur that it's a reasonable guess at 550 say then... 790?!

Inside 200 yards, easy, inside 300 yards is actually getting challenging for me, by 400? I'm hopeless.
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I actually practice quite a bit. Using just my naked eye I am pretty good to within ~3-40m at 600m, it is obviously much worse as I am ranging further out. If I am taking my time I can get within 10m using my scope reticle. Surprisingly it is easy to practice and you can incorporate it into your hunting. How I started was when I would be sitting with my LRF glassing far ridges/mountains, I would take a stab at ranging an object and than lase the object to see how close I was - it gave me something to do when I would sit in a spot glassing to keep me interested in watching. After a while, you will be surprised at how quickly you can get good at estimating range. I found that if I could find an object that was of a known size (i.e. deer) you could get a good a very accurate range. Especially if you have a scope with a reticle that has holdovers. A lot of folks don't even know that their Leupold duplex scope can do ranging for them by adjusting the reticle magnification to fit the deer's brisket to back. (the power ring has a number that tells you distance in yards) An LRF is a great tool but it only really shines for me at much longer distances (I shoot a lot with my .338 LM at unknown distances starting at 700 yards+). I should probably qualify my last post - I don't shoot at animals at long distances.
 
double gun said:
I bought my geovids a year or two before swaro and zeiss came out with their ranging binos. While I'm happy with my geovids, the swaros curb stomp them optically (I haven't looked thru the zeiss). If I was buying today it would be swaro (well I would look thru the zeiss first I guess) over Leica all day long.
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My spotter is Swaro, certainly get what you're saying. I tried the HD-R or HD-B (can't remember) at the show and they were pretty fantastic... But the Swaro ELs were absolutely better, just no ranging.
 
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