I have a proposition

[anchor3593]

It is the best possible - not the impossible which is expected. If I understand correctly, this is not just sighting them in - where you can adjust the sights/scope until the centre of the group is where you want it, but the intent - if I understand correctly - is to seek ideal accuracy loads for target rifles, and likely good reasonable hunting loads for hunting rifles.

Ideal conditions of weather and such - should allow guys to really focus - and get some solid conclusive information and evenings should provide a few theories to putty in the holes between the facts.

 

[c-fbmi]

It is the best possible - not the impossible which is expected. If I understand correctly, this is not just sighting them in - where you can adjust the sights/scope until the centre of the group is where you want it, but the intent - if I understand correctly - is to seek ideal accuracy loads for target rifles, and likely good reasonable hunting loads for hunting rifles.

NOW we are understanding the scenario! Best possible accuracy and velocity per rifle. (wish I'd never mentioned 1/4 moa).

To all who haven't read all posts here, what I meant was the shooter must be proficient enough to wring the greatest possible accuracy from each rifle.
Never said any of the rifles were capable of 1/4 moa.

 

[kayaker1]

In all honesty I might be moving to Whitehorse in a few months for work - would be good to meet some shooters there!

 

[Gatehouse]

Holy crap! If you have a 1/4 MOA rifle, with 1/4MOA ammo, a competent shooter should be able to deliver 1/4 MOA or close accuracy! This ain't rocket science here, boys and girls!

 

[Ires80]

Why are a bunch of you talking about prostitutes? The man is asking for help and offering a fair trade for skilled work, getting to see the That part of Canada is more than worth it to me. The only problem for me is I can't confidently say I can shoot 1/4 MOA, now with that being said my bestfriend can and he is miticulas when it comes to figuring out the best loads. I will let him know about your situation. I didn't read more than the first page so I don't know if you found someone but I know he probably won't want to go alone, is there any chance the offer could be for two?

 

[track]

Holy crap! If you have a 1/4 MOA rifle, with 1/4MOA ammo, a competent shooter should be able to deliver 1/4 MOA or close accuracy! This ain't rocket science here, boys and girls!

What are the chances that the OP has rifles that will shoot 1/4 inch MOA? Accurate cartridges such as the 22 center fires, 243's, 6.5's and 30's in a bench rifle will achieve the 1/4 inch MOA, however; not so easy with a hunting firearm, especially in a two week time period. I would love to see the results of the conclusion regarding the said thread and photos of targets. Will be most interesting and no pun intended.

 

[Boomer]

Given the C-FBMI's resources and experience, I think the chances are pretty good. His point though was not to shoot a quarter minute group with a minute and a half rifle, rather that only competent marksmen would be involved with the project. Hell, I've got a rifle that beats a quarter minute and I'm just a hick on the edge of the arctic.

 

[c-fbmi]

OK, I'm getting in the mood now, went to loading room last night and processed some brass that has been sitting there for weeks now. Took a little stock of bullets and powder, put a few things away and did a LITTLE clean up.
I think the time has come to expand the vault/loading room, all the nooks and crannys are full and overflowing. Another 100 sq ft would be a great relief.
HHHMMMMMMM.......................

 

[track]

Given the C-FBMI's resources and experience, I think the chances are pretty good. His point though was not to shoot a quarter minute group with a minute and a half rifle, rather that only competent marksmen would be involved with the project. Hell, I've got a rifle that beats a quarter minute and I'm just a hick on the edge of the arctic.

What is the make, model and cartridge that gives you less than 1/4 inch?

 

[Jeff/1911]

OK, I'm getting in the mood now, went to loading room last night and processed some brass that has been sitting there for weeks now. Took a little stock of bullets and powder, put a few things away and did a LITTLE clean up.
I think the time has come to expand the vault/loading room, all the nooks and crannys are full and overflowing. Another 100 sq ft would be a great relief.
HHHMMMMMMM.......................

c-fbmi,

I hope you are able to make arrangements with someone suitable for this project...it sounds like a dream-come-true for a GunNut!!!

Best wishes, Jeff/1911.

 

[Boomer]

What is the make, model and cartridge that gives you less than 1/4 inch?

The rifle is a custom 700 Remington with a 1:8 #7 target contour 28" Krieger barrel, Jewel trigger, McMillan A-5 stock topped with a S&B PM II 4-16X40 scope with CM adjustments. Although not on demand, at 100 yards it has frequently shot in the .1s, at 500 is under a half minute, and is .75 MOA or slightly better at 1000 with 5 shot groups, when shot under ideal conditions of light, wind, and mirage.

The cartridge is a run of the mill .308 with a standard SAAMI chamber, and accuracy has been consistent with MKs, Bergers, and Matrix bullets in 200-210 gr range loaded to 2550-2650 fps depending on the bullet.

 

[manitou210]

Holy crap! If you have a 1/4 MOA rifle, with 1/4MOA ammo, a competent shooter should be able to deliver 1/4 MOA or close accuracy! This ain't rocket science here, boys and girls!

Gatehouse There is not a abundace of shooters have ever shot a 5 shot .250" group on this site. I have seen fellows with good rifles fire 4 in .250"
but that 5th shot makes group .400 to 1/2" or more. and at 300y groups are more like 1.5 to 2" I have seen 2 different fellows shoot .520" and .600" at 300y and only once, lots of 1"
manitou

 

[Gatehouse]

What are the chances that the OP has rifles that will shoot 1/4 inch MOA? Accurate cartridges such as the 22 center fires, 243's, 6.5's and 30's in a bench rifle will achieve the 1/4 inch MOA, however; not so easy with a hunting firearm, especially in a two week time period. I would love to see the results of the conclusion regarding the said thread and photos of targets. Will be most interesting and no pun intended.

Gatehouse There is not a abundace of shooters have ever shot a 5 shot .250" group on this site. I have seen fellows with good rifles fire 4 in .250"
but that 5th shot makes group .400 to 1/2" or more. and at 300y groups are more like 1.5 to 2" I have seen 2 different fellows shoot .520" and .600" at 300y and only once, lots of 1"
manitou

Here is what the OP said, guys:

None need to make 1/4 moa just no point in asking someone to work up loads if they can only shoot 3 moa. The only one I expect something close to 1/4 moa is 22-284 in 28" heavy SS on Sorensen trued 700 SA, with all weighed and neck turned Win brass and berger and sierra match bullets in 80-90 gn.

I'm sure if a competent shooter uses that rifle, he can deliver 3 shot groups (what the OP specified) of 1/4MOA or close to it.

 

[c-fbmi]

What is the make, model and cartridge that gives you less than 1/4 inch?

Track, I think you were asking boomer, but I'll give you my only hopeful for that goal.
Rem 700 SS SA trued and blueprinted by Dennis Sorensen
28" Bevan King SS barrel 1" at muzzle 1-9 twist, 11 Deg target crown
Cal 22-284, PT&G match reamer.
Bedded into a Rem 700 laminated thumbhole heavy varmint stock.
W-W 284 cases all prepped and outside neck turned to .001 clearance fired.
Flash holes uniformed and deburred
Nominal weight +/- .5 gn
Sierra and Berger 80-90 gn Match bullets.

Leupold 8-25 X 50 Vari X III LR 30mm

May not do 1/4 moa but I can live with 1/2 moa to 500 mtrs

 

[track]

Track, I think you were asking boomer, but I'll give you my only hopeful for that goal.
Rem 700 SS SA trued and blueprinted by Dennis Sorensen
28" Bevan King SS barrel 1" at muzzle 1-9 twist, 11 Deg target crown
Cal 22-284, PT&G match reamer.
Bedded into a Rem 700 laminated thumbhole heavy varmint stock.
W-W 284 cases all prepped and outside neck turned to .001 clearance fired.
Flash holes uniformed and deburred
Nominal weight +/- .5 gn
Sierra and Berger 80-90 gn Match bullets.

May not do 1/4 moa but I can live with 1/2 moa to 500 mtrs

I don't classify myself as a benchrest shooter, however; I do shoot alot (at least 500 rounds per year) at the rifle range with big game cartridges to monkey around with different loads. Seldom have I made three shot 1/4 inch groups, mind you I don't shoot 243, 6.5 which are accurate calibers, but magnum cartridges I utilize most of the time. Many times I've accomplished 1/2 inch and less with these magnums, but when guys start mentioning 1/4 inch groups I have a very hard time to believe these statements. Most 22 centerfire cartridges can accomplish the 1/4 inch groups because of it's inherit accuracy........your said 22x284 will fall into that group. Good luck with your new rifle, it sounds like a real coyote killer.

 

[c-fbmi]

I don't classify myself as a benchrest shooter, however; I do shoot alot (at least 500 rounds per year) at the rifle range with big game cartridges to monkey around with different loads. Seldom have I made three shot 1/4 inch groups, mind you I don't shoot 243, 6.5 which are accurate calibers, but magnum cartridges I utilize most of the time. Many times I've accomplished 1/2 inch and less with these magnums, but when guys start mentioning 1/4 inch groups I have a very hard time to believe these statements. Most 22 centerfire cartridges can accomplish the 1/4 inch groups because of it's inherit accuracy........your said 22x284 will fall into that group. Good luck with your new rifle, it sounds like a real coyote killer.

I hear all you say and agree, the 22-284 is a very specific build, we don't have many open spaces for "dogs" up here and calling them in is usually hornet and 204 work. I built the 22-284 specifically for a 2 week baboon hunt and my goal is to be able to head shoot to 500 mtrs. It's a long story.......
Regardless 2 1/2" at 500 will do the job so 1/2 moa will suffice with this rifle.
Thanks for the good wishes.

Douglas

 

[Fassteel]

I haven't read all the postings, but has this been addressed?

1) How many shooters out there are capable of shooting 5 shot, 1/4 inch MOA groups at 100 yards, regardless of what rifle is in their hands?

Damn few

2) How many store bought rifles are capable of making 5 shot, 1/4 MOA groups at 100 yards?

Hardly any
FS

 

[c-fbmi]

Please Gentlemen, read back, this is not what I said !!!

 

[Fassteel]

I would like someone to come to the Yukon and work up loads for my 50 some odd rifles. I will pay all expenses except travel, you will stay in my home and be fed and housed exceptionally well and all I ask is you work up loads for my rifles. My only criteria is you are capable of shooting 1/4 moa with an appropriate caliber. I have come to the conclusion that I will never have the time to do this and I am buying guns faster than I can shoot them. You will be supplied with a vehicle, a range key and all the ammo you can shoot in a day for 2 weeks. No cost to you at all. We can load at night as well as drink some good Scotch or wine or beer, and if you're inclined I have some outstanding Cuban cigars.
I'm 100% serious any takers?
And before anyone asks, no I'm not ###!!!!

Seems to me that loading and shooting groups for 50 odd rifles in a 2 week period sounds a lot like a full time job. I would think you might want to consider paying some one to do this for you, clearly you can afford it. You make it sound like some kind of dream vacation with all of your 4 wheeled toys, who the heck is going to have any time to enjoy all of the flying and fishing you speak about and get things happening with 50 plus rifles? FS

 

[rral22]

Seems to me that loading and shooting groups for 50 odd rifles in a 2 week period sounds a lot like a full time job. I would think you might want to consider paying some one to do this for you, clearly you can afford it. You make it sound like some kind of dream vacation with all of your 4 wheeled toys, who the heck is going to have any time to enjoy all of the flying and fishing you speak about and get things happening with 50 plus rifles? FS

First realistic response.

To genuinely work up the most accurate loads for that many rifles will take a lot of time. I'm currently working on a Ruger #1 .25-06 for a friend, and we are on the 4th bullet and 2nd powder trying to find a perfect combination. Powder charge changes, primer changes, sizing methods, seating depth tests, then try another bullet with all those variables? Then try another powder? We are contemplating stock work at the moment. A true MOA or less load can be quite elusive.

Now, we aren't in a hurry, but I think that gun alone would have taken at least a whole day so far out of the plan. Only 49 more to go. And some of them will be tough enough to shoot that only a few shots at a time will be possible if you are thinking MOA or less from the shooter.

What is being asked can't be done in two weeks. Not by me, anyway, and not properly. Maybe I'm just not good enough. Maybe it's a ridiculous request.