Right @&#$^% on.
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
i have just received FSN-01F
- Thread starter dagtaph
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Right @&#$^% on.
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
tactical870
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Buckhorn, Ontario
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
SSSsssHhhhhh! I'm watching this......
Your pontificating really shows that you know nothing about the manufacturing process or rifles. Mausers have plum colored parts as well.
Crack a book and learn, or just carry on with your bong bong bong
Mausers have plum colored parts, so.... and that proves what? maybe some rifles do and some don't, I personally don't like my gun multicolored. I hope you don't have a problem with that, because if you do you can go.... crack a book, learn, smoke, or what ever you do....
Right @&#$^% on.
It is better to be silent and thought a fool than to open one's mouth and remove all doubt.
so it is better for you to be silent then.
DAGTAPH;
"whitey07 said that he is not surprised because he is used to refurbs, but this is exactly the point that all SKSs sold as refurbs and marked as refurbs with the proper indication of conditions: "
OK now lets compare apples to apples and oranges with oranges.
The FSN series of rifles and the previous VZ series ARE newly manufactured using both new and surplus parts....
The are NOT refurbished, if they were you would not likely be able to own one....
IF you want an absolutely mint, un touched by human hands, VZ-58 we can supply from stock, providing you are licensed for FA weapons.
"Not so with FSN line. They are not marked as refurbs "
Thats because they are NOT refurbs....
"Anyway.... John stands by his Ironclad guaranty"
That is what I have been trying to say for the last several pages, SEND IT BACK....
John
"whitey07 said that he is not surprised because he is used to refurbs, but this is exactly the point that all SKSs sold as refurbs and marked as refurbs with the proper indication of conditions: "
OK now lets compare apples to apples and oranges with oranges.
The FSN series of rifles and the previous VZ series ARE newly manufactured using both new and surplus parts....
The are NOT refurbished, if they were you would not likely be able to own one....
IF you want an absolutely mint, un touched by human hands, VZ-58 we can supply from stock, providing you are licensed for FA weapons.
"Not so with FSN line. They are not marked as refurbs "
Thats because they are NOT refurbs....
"Anyway.... John stands by his Ironclad guaranty"
That is what I have been trying to say for the last several pages, SEND IT BACK....
John
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- S.W. Ontario
my thoughts exactly! surplus maybe, but not new.
and they nowhere on their site said anything about it being surplus.
PS: a kind request for moderators here not to close the thread, because i noticed that they tend to close the threads they don't like.
I guess the dealers pay money to be on this site, and who ever pays the piper orders the music
That is WAYYY out of line my friend..........
I suggest you rethink your position or point out a single example of such a move.
I await your proof or your appology!!!!!
- Location
- Central AB Breton/DV
Given Marstar's return policy the OP has no worries other than the small hassle of shipping it back.
Deltasilver
Regular
- Location
- Right behind you...
There is nothing wrong with being dissatisfied with the product. The issue is the manner in which you chose to air your dissatisfaction. You said it yourself - you didn't even try to return the rifle.
If you had a) found the rifle to be not to your liking and b) were refused a return/refund then you can ##### about the return policy. Or you could post pictures as an illustration to an "anybody else's rifle look like this?" themed post with the caveat that you were about to test Marstar's return policy.
Hey, it would even be ok to complain about having to pay for return shipping.
All of our products are covered by our Ironclad Guarantee: if for any reason you are not satisfied with your purchase, contact us immediately to arrange return for refund, credit, or exchange on the full value of the product(s).
-Marstar return policy as posted on the website under the IRONCLAD GUARANTEE header.
http://www.marstar.ca/main/ironclad-guarantee.shtm
(and if it walks like a duck, QUACKS like a duck and leaves duck feathers and duck s**t all over the place... It's most likely a duck.)
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If you had a) found the rifle to be not to your liking and b) were refused a return/refund then you can ##### about the return policy. Or you could post pictures as an illustration to an "anybody else's rifle look like this?" themed post with the caveat that you were about to test Marstar's return policy.
Hey, it would even be ok to complain about having to pay for return shipping.
All of our products are covered by our Ironclad Guarantee: if for any reason you are not satisfied with your purchase, contact us immediately to arrange return for refund, credit, or exchange on the full value of the product(s).
-Marstar return policy as posted on the website under the IRONCLAD GUARANTEE header.
http://www.marstar.ca/main/ironclad-guarantee.shtm
(and if it walks like a duck, QUACKS like a duck and leaves duck feathers and duck s**t all over the place... It's most likely a duck.)
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scianna54
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Okanagan BC
Just return the product and if Marstar will refund all including shipping costs both ways, you should be happy.
Claven2
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Onterrible
To the OP: I may be wrong here, but I BELIEVE (having not held one) that the new FSN rifles have military chrome-lined barrels. If the barrel arrives dirty, stop whining, man up and CLEAN IT. It's chrome underneath which doesn't rust or pit unless the chrome delaminates after many thousands of rounds - probably not your case.
As for the bore differences between the 858's and other guns, the 858's have new recently made chromoly steel barrels that are not chrome lined, that WILL rust (unless you nitro-carburize it) and that have crisp freshly cut rifling. The chrome lining on the military guns does not look as sharp even when new because the plating process makes the rifling edges slightly less sharp looking, but certainly they are just as effective in use.
As for the 858 guns - they too are assembled from parts which are often well used. The difference is that CZ chemically or mechanically strips every part and re-blues it so that it looks new, despite it not being new. This makes the rifle prettier but not necessarily better.
My current "shooter" 58 is a CZ-assembled 858 that I had nitro-carburized even before it was shot. It's nice, but certainly not perfect. For example, the barrel is mis-indexed by about 3 degrees, which was the case on the several dozen examples I examined. The CZH2003 rifles I have owned or handled were all perfectly indexed with perfect chromed bores, but the parts had more visible wear as they were not refinished.
I suspect the FSN rifles have more in common with the CZH rifles than the CZ858 batch guns.
As for the bore differences between the 858's and other guns, the 858's have new recently made chromoly steel barrels that are not chrome lined, that WILL rust (unless you nitro-carburize it) and that have crisp freshly cut rifling. The chrome lining on the military guns does not look as sharp even when new because the plating process makes the rifling edges slightly less sharp looking, but certainly they are just as effective in use.
As for the 858 guns - they too are assembled from parts which are often well used. The difference is that CZ chemically or mechanically strips every part and re-blues it so that it looks new, despite it not being new. This makes the rifle prettier but not necessarily better.
My current "shooter" 58 is a CZ-assembled 858 that I had nitro-carburized even before it was shot. It's nice, but certainly not perfect. For example, the barrel is mis-indexed by about 3 degrees, which was the case on the several dozen examples I examined. The CZH2003 rifles I have owned or handled were all perfectly indexed with perfect chromed bores, but the parts had more visible wear as they were not refinished.
I suspect the FSN rifles have more in common with the CZH rifles than the CZ858 batch guns.
So you think the dings in the crown are okay? Come on, look at the pics. He did clean it, if they are new barrels they shouldn't need much to be clean, hell even my SKS's and 858's didn't require much effort to be spotless. His barrel appears "used". This is not what he paid for. These guns are advertised as:
They shouldn't come in such condition as the OP received. But he will return it for a refund/exchange/whatever and will learn a valuable lesson.
They shouldn't come in such condition as the OP received. But he will return it for a refund/exchange/whatever and will learn a valuable lesson.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Stormbringer Here You Go!!!!!!
I opened a thread a few weeks ago titled "Frontier Firearms Pricing Fail" or something to that effect. I was trying to show all the members here that if they are interested in a Bond Arms Snake Slayer, that Frontiers price is $180 more than Kodiak Outpost, and $140 more than Arms East.
Guess what?
It was closed after the first couple replies by NAA I believe for no reason. I have no doubt that if my criticism was about a non supporting dealer the thread would have been left open!
There was absolutely no reason for closing it. Nothing frivolous was posted only facts, and direct links to supporting dealers in question!
His reason was something like 'if you have a problem with a dealer take it up with them."
I have no problem with the dealer but just wanted to let everyone here know that there is far better pricing than what Frontier had to offer.
Edit: Here it is.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=549106
That is WAYYY out of line my friend..........
I suggest you rethink your position or point out a single example of such a move.
I await your proof or your appology!!!!!
I opened a thread a few weeks ago titled "Frontier Firearms Pricing Fail" or something to that effect. I was trying to show all the members here that if they are interested in a Bond Arms Snake Slayer, that Frontiers price is $180 more than Kodiak Outpost, and $140 more than Arms East.
Guess what?
It was closed after the first couple replies by NAA I believe for no reason. I have no doubt that if my criticism was about a non supporting dealer the thread would have been left open!
There was absolutely no reason for closing it. Nothing frivolous was posted only facts, and direct links to supporting dealers in question!
His reason was something like 'if you have a problem with a dealer take it up with them."
I have no problem with the dealer but just wanted to let everyone here know that there is far better pricing than what Frontier had to offer.
Edit: Here it is.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=549106
scianna54
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Okanagan BC
Kind of sad that price comparisons are not allowed, but Frontier is always a bit more expensive, their service is outstanding though.
you been here long enough to know we do not allow thread like yours complaining about pricing, not just from CGN dealers but also from other members on EE.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Actually I was unaware! The rules say no complaining about EE deals but I have never seen anything about price comparisons!
Why is it OK to highlight great deals, but not let other members know of the bad ones?
Edit: Forget it I'm done.
you better reread your thread , i hardly call it price comparison, definitely complaining.
dealers and members are free to choose any prices they like for their items.
dealers and members are free to choose any prices they like for their items.
deagle2008
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- BC
I thought these rifles are NEW / there is no where in the website stating that these rifles are made out of Surplus parts mixed with new parts i WAS going to buy one
/ there is no where in the website stating that these rifles are made out of Surplus parts mixed with new parts i WAS going to buy oneMy Opinion.........
I think this whole thread could have been avoided by making one phone call , But you decided to ask everyone else what to do, although I do not think that "johnone" had any attitude in his reply posts , I could understand if He did. Put yourself in the others shoes
If there is a problem with something you bought , Make a simple phone call to see if the issue you are having can be resolved , If it cant then search for others advice on how to handle it .
hope this helps
I think this whole thread could have been avoided by making one phone call , But you decided to ask everyone else what to do, although I do not think that "johnone" had any attitude in his reply posts , I could understand if He did. Put yourself in the others shoes
If there is a problem with something you bought , Make a simple phone call to see if the issue you are having can be resolved , If it cant then search for others advice on how to handle it .
hope this helps
cool it down, johnone. You acting all incensed as if you have never heard about a customer getting hard time trying to return stuff. If marstar will take it back with no questions asked, i will be very happy, i just never dealt with their return department before, so understandably i am a little bit apprehensive. Are you the owner by any chance, everybody tells me i need to speak to some mysterious John, HE will solve all my problems
