I heard from savage warranty and it is not good

I have just received an email from the Manager, Technical Services Savage Arms, Inc. in the US he states that this rifle will be fixed properly at no charge to my self. I await the results
 
my gun ;

i'd take all the stuff off of it , and fire 5 rounds through in the same manner that the repair depot would have .

does the problem persist , or go away ?

if the problem persists , at what exact temp does the problem happen at ?

can the problem be reproduced with a dummy round while the action is heated to the problem temp ?


my first thought , what is the clearance between the bolt face and the end of the barrel ?

also what is the actual clearance on a go gauge for headspace?

if you can borrow another barrel from a buddy , does the different barrel cause the problem to go away .
 
burnt_servo said:
my gun ;

i'd take all the stuff off of it , and fire 5 rounds through in the same manner that the repair depot would have .

does the problem persist , or go away ?

if the problem persists , at what exact temp does the problem happen at ?

can the problem be reproduced with a dummy round while the action is heated to the problem temp ?


my first thought , what is the clearance between the bolt face and the end of the barrel ?

also what is the actual clearance on a go gauge for headspace?

if you can borrow another barrel from a buddy , does the different barrel cause the problem to go away .
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Never tried with rail off or for that matter without the scope. However I have tried fired cases (fired from that gun) insert case and it won't come out. actually tried same case in my other Savage and it is hard extraction in it. leads me to believe chamber.
is way too tight.
original problem new was fire 4 or 5 shells heated up no extraction. And every time I sent it in it came back worst.
all this was explained to shop, it appears they are not paying attention.
I have mentioned a lot of what has been said on here by some very experienced people. that includes a few of CGN gunsmith members. All ignored by the sound of it.
I have no access to go or no go gauges. I don't have a barrel wrench or a Savage barrel nut wrench. The big thing is I am hard headed in the sense that product was under warranty and I expect warranty to fix it. If they have it 10 times and don't fix it as far as I am concerned it is still under Warranty. And from The email I received from the Savage manager he agrees with me. I have been posting about the problems in order to learn more and hopefully pass this on to the warranty shop. I have come to the conclusion they are never going to listen. ( plus vent a little or a lot relieves some tension)

My concern now is same shop has the rifle and I have no expectation of anything better happening.

And also to show what we as Canadians have to expect when dealing with warranty on firearms.
I am not trying to condemn all warranty shops but we hear a lot of dissatisfaction on all makes of firearms.

The US. needs to change their stupid export and import laws. and I can not see that happening.
until next time. ( I expect their will be one)
 
I will admit I have considered buying the tools and doing some of the suggested things.
The main one I would do is swap the barrel From my BAS-T. I am pretty sure problem would go away
But I think even then getting Warranty place to do anything sounds like an impossible dream.
Have you priced out a barrel delivered to your door lately? And I cannot find a Savage pre-fit from anyone who will ship to Canada
 
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wce323078 said:
I will admit I have considered buying the tools and doing some of the suggested things.
The main one I would do is swap the barrel From my BAS-T. I am pretty sure problem would go away
But I think even then getting Warranty place to do anything sounds like an impossible dream.
Have you priced out a barrel delivered to your door lately? And I cannot find a Savage pre-fit from anyone who will ship to Canada
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since this is a 308 , i'm going to assume it is a small shank barrel .
if it is , then any small shank 308 barrel would work , even one off of a axis ........

what i'm getting at is check the ee here for a used take off barrel . normally 50 - 100 dollars + shipping . when your done with it resell it and get your money back .
 
wce323078 said:
Never tried with rail off or for that matter without the scope. However I have tried fired cases (fired from that gun) insert case and it won't come out. actually tried same case in my other Savage and it is hard extraction in it.
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when you say "hard extraction " are you saying you need to use physical force , more than normal to cycle the bolt and remove the round ?

or

is the bolt having difficultly ( ie a hard time ) extracting the case from the chamber ...... and possibly leaving the case in the chamber ?

so another rabbit hole to go down is possible extractor issues , and maybe a smaller than normal rim diameter on the case .


also , you could try firing several rounds with the bolts holding the action to the stock loosened right off .( maybe the stock is causing a sprung action ? )
 
burnt_servo I mean literally beating on the bolt handle to get shell out. I even switched bolts to try same thing. Looked at primary extraction but it seems to work like it should tried both bolts in the other rifle.
Mind you I never fired the other rifle with the bolt from the problem rifle as I have no idea what head space is like.
on my pension I have to watch what I buy. That said if it comes to that I will spend the money.

I never looked for a hunting contour barrel as both of these are I guess what you would call varmint contour. not a bull barrel but next thing to it.
 
It's hard to read and an offense to the eyes to read a wall of text. You posted here so we could read it, we clicked on the thread so we could read it. Grammar is needed for both.

Just saying. It was already fixed when I got here. I'm a Savage owner and I'm glad and confident you'll get sorted out. That shop dropped the ball though eh?
 
I have said this before I write it the best I can I am not a English lit Major. I don't and never have wrote for a living.
In fact I am not shy about saying I cannot spell worth a chit. And I don't really like to write anyway.
You people make me feel like I am back in Quebec with the language police.
If you don't like how someone writes don't read it and those of us who don't write often do not want to hear from you about it.

I am to damn old to want to go back to school so that you are happy with my writing

I write this in case anyone is interested and to maybe get informed opinions that might help me or someone else who may have a similar problem.
 
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Try looking up Gerry at Mystic Precision on the forum here, seems to me he stocks Savage pre fit barrels and is somewhere close to your neck of the woods.
 
wce323078 said:
what is it with you language police?
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its quite difficult to follow and keep your place on a wall of text like that. breaking it into paragraphs makes it much easier.

As for the gun. its clearly not the barrel expanding and jamming on the bolt head, as a shell fired when it jams up should extract fine when the gun is cold.
I would say you need to try shooting it a few times without your near rail on to see for sure if that is the problem (or part there of).

Worst case scenario i can see is the steel composition is really off and is expanding much more than it should be and causing problems.
Trying to diagnose a gun problem over the internet or over the phone with someone that isnt a gunsmith is rather difficult (same idea as diagnosing a car over the phone by the average car owner).

Clearly something is expanding when getting warm, it is effecting the chamber to the point of making a fired case not fit in a cold chamber of the same gun, or of another gun of the same caliber. Are there any pressure signs other than hard extraction ? flattened primers ? cratering of the primer ? How much is the case stretching ? is it causing visible stress marks on the case.

If you cycle the action after firing a few rounds with no round in the gun, is the bolt hard to close or open ? can try warming the gun up with a torch lightly, or easier a heat gun (or hair dryer for a while).

There are so many questions and things to try to diagnose the problem its hard to do over the net.
 
I think the gun suffers from a too-short leade (freebore before the rifling starts) and the brass is jamming into the rifling. Contraction is allowing it to be extracted when the brass cool a bit. You need that chamber re-cut/finished. Give Del Selins a call to see. And as stated before , you can look into a take-off barrel for cheap to throw on.
 
another thought , I don't have a savage 10 in front of me to confirm this , but ......

as you lift the bolt handle you will get to a certain point and the bolt will be pulled rearward .

it should start to be pulled rearward , after the locking logs unlock .

if the locking lugs are still engaged as the bolt is just staring to be pushed rearward , it might part of your issue .

it is something to look at closely anyway .

BTW AT LEAST YOU WHERE TYPING YOUR POSTS IN A ARD TO READ COLOUR :D
 
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