I just paid for a Wrong Product

foxhunter11 said:
I went to the Le Baron store in Markham to pick up a crate 0f 7.62 by 39. I asked them in the store if they are brass or not, they showed me an open box and confirm that they are all indeed brass casing” I don’t know maybe she was talking about her own t**s when she said they are all brass ” and I guess that’s what happens when you have 4 old nannies selling you Ammunitions. You could easily tell that they had no idea what they were talking about; they should go work at local ### shops instead of ammo counter in an outdoor store!!!! So I came home and opened the thing just to see that they are green steel case and NOT brass casing and I’m not even sure if they are corrosive or not!!!
mmmm even worse is the fact that they are closed tomorrow and I’m working on Monday.
Man I’m so disappointed F&*(&^% F(&^&%$ ^&*(( F**&^^%$ Beep &^%$ Beep, Beep.
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When it comes to surplus you have to do your homework. The ammo at Lebarons is both steel case and brass case. Look for M215 and 30KG on the case and it will most likely be brass cased. But because these cases have all been opened and repacked your still taking a spin on the wheel. All will be corrosive though, and brass cases will be berdan primed so not easily reloadable. I doubt that Lebarons can tell you for sure what's in the crates short of opening them and I wouldn't expect them to let you open them, you are buying surplus! not new commercial.
 
I don't think you can return ammo , so good luck with taking it back to the store. I guess with brass cases you can sell the casings and get some money back , so it would be a better deal.
 
I went to the store today and explained what toke place on Saturday, they opened 2 more crates for me of which 1 was also steel case. So the happy ending was that they exchanged the brass with steel one for me.
Now what I was looking to find was a number that would corresponds with a type of casing that it holds and whether its corrosive or not, and I could not find anything !!
 
foxhunter11 said:
I went to the store today and explained what toke place on Saturday, they opened 2 more crates for me of which 1 was also steel case. So the happy ending was that they exchanged the brass with steel one for me.
Now what I was looking to find was a number that would corresponds with a type of casing that it holds and whether its corrosive or not, and I could not find anything !!
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I'm glad it worked out....but I gotta ask...why were you so set on brass? It's not like it makes any difference at all......:confused:
 
foxhunter11 said:
I went to the store today and explained what toke place on Saturday, they opened 2 more crates for me of which 1 was also steel case. So the happy ending was that they exchanged the brass with steel one for me.
Now what I was looking to find was a number that would corresponds with a type of casing that it holds and whether its corrosive or not, and I could not find anything !!
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You could find no difference in markings between the two cases? The weight was the same? The m215 marking? Did you take pics of the two cases for us?
 
I went to leBaron in Mississauga today to buy another case of 7.62x39. They had about 7 cases on a pallet sitting by the cash. Said there was more in the back. Staff insisted that all cases were the same, and all were brass.

I wanted brass cases. Only difference I could see on the markings was some were 29kg and some were 28 kg. My theory is that brass is heavier than steel, so the 29 must be brass.

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Don't know if that is a reliable identifier, but the ammo is indeed brass.

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The case was marked with this.

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I have decanted it to a 20mm steel ammo can for storage. Just about fills the can.

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This is getting all confusing
1.If brass is more expensive why are they selling them for the price of steel?

2.I contacted another person on here that has bought 2 cases from Le Baron in Quebec what he got is also brass that look like the picture posted above. Mine however looks different, in which all has a red ring around the projectile right before it meets the casing, as you will see in the picture. What they indicate? I have no idea!
I was told by someone that the red paint is only a sealant which I don’t believe so.


Also there was no markings on crates that would indicate what kind of ammo is inside, except the weight. As mentioned on here before that is the only indicating factor. I just think that since they have opened all the boxes before, they have just mixed them up and repacked them.


Sorry I don’t know If the links that I have posting works, I tried posting the actual pictures but I don’t know how.

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This is the second crate that my friend purchased.

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I posted my most recent purchase. The case said 29KG, not 30KG, and it lacked the M215 on the box, but the contents was brass cases. I assume the 28Kg case would be steel, but did not buy one.

The ammo pictures above is different than my recent purchase. His case has hinges. Mine was a nailed shut with no hinges.

His has m215, mine does not. His id factory 22, as is mine. His is 1969, whereas mine is 1967.

I have a case of ammo similar to his, with the red sealer, so pulled both a 1967 and a 1969 apart. they have the same steel core bullet. But the 1969 is sealed with red lacquer around the bullet and around the primer. The 1967 has no sealer of any kind on bullet or primer. Never noticed military ammo without a sealer before. makes it real easy to pull the bullets.

Both types pull apart easily. I assume both are corrosive, but do not know.

Some of the pictures above look like steel cases, but they are not. These cases are made of brass.

I will shoot both of these these through my bolt rifle with the match barrel and see if there is any significant difference.

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He bought it from the same place I did. both factory 22, only mine was 1966.

Mine has no sealer at all. I can't imagine the purpose of the red/sealer on the neck

I pulled a bullet, mine is boat tail also.

I bought mine from the Montreal branch, but it must just be Romainian as advertised.
When made and what factory is probably not their concern.

Like a poster said, I plan to treat it as corrosive.
 
Why does it matter to you?

He liked the stuff I got from the same people. He asked me where I bought it.
He bought it and it was different. Twice.
He was trying to buy what was advertised based on what I bought.

This http://www.lebaron.ca/pdffiles/web_spec/surplus762_rom_web.pdf

A good note to this is that CanAm and various sponsors above picture the actual amunition they are selling and note it's corrosive status honestly.
I plan to keep my future purchases limited to sponsors.
 
I was told by someone that the red paint is only a sealant which I don’t believe so.
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Since that was me, amongst others, why don't you believe it? What do you believe it signifies?

I've got many, many different surplus rounds in different calibers with sealant just like that.
 
My wooden case is printed FARA LAME According to Google, this means "no stripper clips" in Romanian.

On close examination, I see the red sealant round has a nice smooth crimp into the bullet crimping groove.

The 1967 round with no sealant has a staked type bullet crimp on the mouth of the case. This has no significance to me, except both are factory 22, but there are more differences in the ammo.

i look forward to shooting these and my other flavours of milsrp for accuracy out of mytest rifle.
 
MarkHFX said:
He bought it from the same place I did. both factory 22, only mine was 1966.

Mine has no sealer at all. I can't imagine the purpose of the red/sealer on the neck
I pulled a bullet, mine is boat tail also.

I bought mine from the Montreal branch, but it must just be Romainian as advertised.
When made and what factory is probably not their concern.

Like a poster said, I plan to treat it as corrosive.
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The purpose of the red/sealer on the neck is just that. It is a sealant to keep water or other contaminants out of the powder. Almost all Military ammo that is issued for Combat use has sealant and crimped primers. The reason for crimping a primer is so that it will not come back out of the case and drop down into the action, thus putting your rifle or machine gun out of action.

Also, with the warnings/instructions on the packaging, these cartridges are either repacked, or specially produced under a more current contract. They have English and French warnings on them and say "Surplus" so I would say repacked.
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Yep, got screwed today too. Thought I'd get a bunch of boxes of the 'non-corrosive' brass cased stuff I got last time and forgot to open a box while in the store. (I was too busy trying to remember which damn primers I needed!). Looks like Mississauga is back to the old green lacquered steel cased stuff that even though they 'say' is non-corrosive, A cleaning I will go!
 
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