I just receive my first pistol... What product should I use to clean the gun?

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I everybody!

I just receive my first pistol. A Grand Power K100... On the slide, I can see some stain.

What product should I use to clean it without removing the finish...

And what product do you use to lub your gun?

Thank you for your help.
 
Magellann said:
A rag with some varsol on it.
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For CLEANING this is as good as any and the easiest.

I know it'll make some folks gag and retch but even some WD40 is a valid cleaning solvent that leaves a very light duty oil behind. I would not trust it to protect or lube by itself but it's not a bad general purpose cleaner for removing other oils and greases. But Varsol or low odor paint thinner is cheaper.

For barrel bores I like Hoppes solvent. For general flushing I like the cheap to make Ed's Red (google for it). It works superbly and leaves a light film of ATF that protects and lubricates to some extent. It's not good for heavy pressure pivots like the hammer pin or slide rails but it's OK for most of the other light contact pressure points.

In any event you can see that there's LOTS of options. And generally many of us try and stick to one thing. As long as you avoid the worst of the options you'll be fine.

The finish on your gun will be highly resistant to just about anything you can throw at it. But the grips can be another issue. It's always wise to remove them and clean separately with something less "solvent'y". Generally if it's safe for your skin it'll be good for the grips.
 
if you ever plan on doing any kinda shooting in cold weather use G96

i found that out the hard way when i first had a AR outside in -40 and it froze up on me.

i did some research and found G96 is rated excellent for cold weather. its listed as follows;
G96 Synthetic CLP gun oil is rated at -74F and G96 Gun Treatment is rated at -50F
so i started to use it and totally fell in love with the stuff, ive had it out in -50 and my guns run perfect.

you can get a couple different types of it.
1 can is called gunk buster and its for cleaning reallllllly dirty guns.
the other stuff is the normal stuff is called Gun Treatment, its a foam, cleans so good and leaves a nice light coat of oil on the gun when done.
you can also buy a little bottle of their oil as well and from the looks of it you can also get a synthetic oil but i havnt used that stuff.

and as a added bonus the stuff smells FANTASTIC!!!!!

i wish they made a G96 cologne.

and its easy to use, the gun treatment stuff, you just take your gun down, spray the foam on, let it sit for 60 seconds, then just wipe it off, reassemble gun, done.
 
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purely for interest sake i was reading up on G96 and saw that it is now US military spec approved.
i didnt know what that meant so i was reading and this is what it means.

Please note that these tests were performed by ARDEC and not an Independent Laboratory. ARDEC is the only agency that can certify and perform a live fire test for the MIL-PRF-63460E specification. Test Criteria

Test weapons: The test weapon shall be the machine gun, 5.56 MM: M249. New weapons (guns that have been fired less than 5000 rounds) or guns with a used receiver with an all new operating group shall be used.

Firing residue removal: CLP shall provide cleaning capability to remove a minimum average of 80 % of the residue generated from the ignition of WC 844 propellant.

Weapon performance: CLP shall provide cleaning, lubricating and preservative characteristics to support operating requirements of the machine gun: 5.56MM, M249, when exposed to the following conditions
Weapons Firing Salt-Spray Test

Operating Requirements - Salt Spray: Salt-spray environments. CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to a salt-spray environment for 96 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of at least 650 rpm.

Salt-spray environment test: Only one machine gun shall be used for salt-spray testing and its’ performance alone shall determine if the requirement is met.

Inspection and preparation: The test weapons shall be disassembled, cleaned and lubricated with a normal application (see TABLE VI, Note 2) of the candidate product. With the bolt closed and the safety set in the "safe" position, the machine gun shall be placed in a salt spray cabinet and exposed to 5 % salt-spray in accordance with the Salt Fog Test Procedure of TOP 3-2-045, except that salt-spray and dry cycles shall be 48 hours each instead of 24 hours.

Weapons Firing: After the last salt-fog/dry cycle is complete, the weapon shall be moved to the firing position and loaded with an un-conditioned 100-round belt of ammunition. An initial burst of approximately 10 rounds shall be fired to validate the firing rate. The remainder of the 100-round belt shall be fired in 5-7 round bursts to check for stoppages. The second un-conditioned 100-round belt of ammunition shall be fired in the same manner, without further conditioning of the weapon.

Salt-spray environment failure criteria: Any Class II or III stoppage, more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, or a reduction in the rate of fire below 650 rpm, shall be cause for rejection of the lubricant.

Weapons Firing Dust Test:

Operating Requirements - Dust Test: Dust environments. CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to very fine blowing dust for 50 minutes shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than five Class I stoppages in 500 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of at least 650 rpm.

Dust Test: Three M249s shall be used for each candidate lubricant for dust testing and the average performance of the two weapons with the least number of stoppages shall be used to determine if the requirement is met. This test shall be conducted in accordance with provisions for static test procedure for dust exposure of TOP 3-2-045, except as noted.

Inspection and preparation: The test weapons shall be disassembled, cleaned and lubricated with a generous application (see TABLE VI, Note 4) of the candidate product. The weapons (with bolts and ejector ports closed, and barrel dust caps installed, or muzzles taped) shall be exposed to blowing dust. Dusting shall be as specified in TOP 3-2-045, except that the dusting cycle time shall be 10 minutes.

Weapons Firing: After the dusting cycle, the weapon shall be moved to the firing position, loaded with an un-conditioned 100-round belt and fired. An initial burst of approximately 10 rounds shall be fired to validate the firing rate. The remainder of the 100-round belt shall be fired in 5 to 7-round bursts to check for stoppages. This conditioning and firing sequence shall be repeated four times for a total of 500 rounds fired from each weapon.
Dust test failure criteria: Any Class II or III stoppage, more than five Class I stoppages in 500 rounds, or a reduction in the rate of fire below 650 rpm, shall be cause for rejection of the lubricant. Weapons Firing Cold Temperature Tests:

Operating Requirements - Cold temperature: CLP applied to an M249 that is then exposed to severe cold for 18 hours shall prevent any Class II or III stoppages, shall allow not more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, and shall sustain a rate of fire of at least 650 rounds per minute (rpm).

Cold Temperature Test: Three M249s shall be used for each candidate lubricant for cold temperature testing and the average performance of the three shall be used to determine if the requirement is met.

Inspection and preparation: The test weapons shall be disassembled, cleaned and lubricated with a light application (see TABLE VI, Note 3) of the candidate lubricant. With the bolt closed and the safety set in the "safe" position, the machine gun shall be conditioned at -51 ± 2 °C (-60 ± 4 °F) for 16 ± 1 hours.

Weapons Firing: Weapons firing shall be conducted within the cold temperature chamber immediately after the conditioning cycle is complete. The weapon shall be loaded with an un-conditioned (ambient temperature) 100-round belt of ammunition, and an initial burst of approximately 10-rounds shall be fired to validate the firing rate. The remainder of the belt shall be fired in 5 to 7-round bursts to check for stoppages. Repeat the cycle, except condition the weapon for only 2 hours ± 15 minutes at the same temperature. Fire the second, un-conditioned 100-round belt in the same manner employed in the first cold temperature firing cycle.

Cold temperature failure criteria: Any Class II or III weapon stoppage, more than two Class I stoppages in 200 rounds, or a reduction in the rate of fire below 650 rpm, shall be cause for rejection of the lubricant.
Ammunition used during testing: Belts of ammunition shall be loaded as "combat mix", (4 ball (M855) and 1 tracer (M856)). The ammunition required for each of the three tests shall remain outside the individual environmental chambers, and shall not be conditioned. Definitions of stoppages:

Class I weapon stoppage: A failure that is immediately clearable (within 10 seconds or less) by the operator following prescribed immediate action procedures.
Class II weapon stoppage: A failure that is clearable by the operator (requiring more than 10 seconds but not more than 10 minutes) using only the equipment and tools issued with the weapon.
Class III weapon stoppage: A failure of a severe nature. The failure; (1) is operator correctable but requires more than 10 minutes, (2) operator cannot correct and requires assistance( no time limit), (3) requires higher level of maintenance, or authorized operator correction cannot be accomplished because of unavailability of necessary tools, equipment or parts.


TABLE VI. Weapons firing test summary.
Firing test Application Test Condition Rounds Failure criteria (Note 1)
Inspection Normal (note 2) Ambient temp 200 <700-850 rds/min
Cold temp (2 Cycles) Light (note 3) -51 ± 2 °C (-60 ± 4 °F) 200 <650 rds/min, or >2 Class I stops/200 rds
Dust (5 Cycles) Generous (note 4) After dusting Ambient temp 500 <650 rds/min, or >5 Class I stops/500 rds
Salt-spray Normal After exposure Ambient temp 200 <650 rds/min, or >2 Class I stops/200 rds

Note 1: Any Class II or III weapon stoppage during any test is cause for failure of the test.
Note 2: Normal application - as described in the operator's manual TM 9-1005-201-10.
Note 3: Light application - apply a thin film of lube barely visible to the eye.
Note 4: Generous application - apply lube heavy enough so that it can be spread with a finger.
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spirit said:
I everybody!

I just receive my first pistol. A Grand Power K100... On the slide, I can see some stain.

What product should I use to clean it without removing the finish...

And what product do you use to lub your gun?

Thank you for your help.
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There is a lot of videos and articles about FrogLube seems to be good plus its not toxic or smelly
 
My pistols and AR run on Froglube. I just love how easy they are to clean with this product. My revolver and shotgun are still on Breakfree CLP just because I still have a big bottle and it works well.

There are lots of great products out there and the next one I want to try is Ballistol.

OP: What do you use for your rifles/shotguns?
 
I prefer the oil from the inner ear of the Narwhal whale but it is now on the endangered species list so I go to the gun store and buy gun oil.
 
Mpro7 for cleaning.
Tw25b (synthetic grease) for lube.

Frog lube... never tried it, I would like to see those mil spec rifles running frog lube after 4k rounds.
 
FrogLube is like Frank's Red Hot Sauce, I put that s##t on everything. But as the other posters mentioned, I don't do high round counts or 'serious' winter shooting.

I also only use non-toxic cleaners because I value my health.

YMMV
 
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Mpro7 for cleaning and firecleanfor lube.

I also use remoil if I just want to rapidly spray the outside of a gun after a humid day out.

I used frog lube but after a while it was king of gummy even after cleaning is I switched to fireclean.
 
What else do you use that's non-toxic? I'm thinking of going the same way. I bought some Butch's Bore Shine and as soon as I opened the plastic container which holds the bottle it started irritating the hell out of my eyes and throat.


sunborn said:
FrogLube is like Frank's Red Hot Sauce, I put that s##t on everything. But as the other posters mentioned, I don't do high round counts or 'serious' winter shooting.

I also only use non-toxic cleaners because I value my health.

YMMV
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Pistolwhiptricks said:
G96.
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+1

I like to use G96, too.

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