I Like The Old Stuff

lledwod said:
Woww 99trix! Those are beauties! Especially the last one. Details? One day I will own an older 99, now my only savage is a model 1920 in 250-3000. It is well worn but still functions and shoots well.

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That is a darn fine wool jacket. Will keep you warm and toasty for sure.
 
Mike Webb said:
You can say all you like about new guns being just as high quality as old but it just ain't true. Sure there have been some old clunkers turned out but these were really inexpensive guns aimed at people who didn't have much money to spare. But back then you could hire a very skilled pair of hands for little money, not any more. Some guns leave the factory today practically untouched by human hands. Personally you can have your bead blasted finishs, polymer stocks(read plastic) and lousy inletting and fit, I like the old guns. The bean counters have infiltrated all the gun companies and their primary motivation is, how fast and inexpensive can we build it and how many can we pound out.
I recently bought a 1938 manufacture Oberndorf K98k service rifle. I read somewhere that if this rifle were produced today even with CNC machining it would sell for in excess of $2000 per unit. The workmanship is faultless.
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Then compare apples to apples.

You think you can't get a really nice rifle for $2000 + these days?

Or are you comparing your $2000 Mauser with a $350 Stevens?:p

What would you have paid in 1938 for a Mauser rifle?
 
Gatehouse said:
Then compare apples to apples.

You think you can't get a really nice rifle for $2000 + these days?

Or are you comparing your $2000 Mauser with a $350 Stevens?:p

What would you have paid in 1938 for a Mauser rifle?
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Just pointing out that these pre-WW2 Mausers were not high priced by the standards of the day as the German government was buying over a quarter of a million rifles a year. Don't know what they paid but it wasn't over $50 each. Even in 2010 dollars that is nowhere near $2000.
 
Mike Webb said:
Just pointing out that these pre-WW2 Mausers were not high priced by the standards of the day as the German government was buying over a quarter of a million rifles a year. Don't know what they paid but it wasn't over $50 each. Even in 2010 dollars that is nowhere near $2000.
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High priced or not by 1935 standards, you state that it would cost $2000+ to build that rifle today. And for $2000+ dollars you can get a pretty nice rifle in 2010, too.
 
Around 1950 both the Brno 21H and 22F had an MSRP of $167.50, which is $1582.40 in today's dollars.
 
I always laugh when people talk about their Dads or Grampas "old" gun and then tell me it was bought in the 70's or some such.

I regularly shoot a couple guns that have 1870's markings and have a .22 with a registration document dated 1942 when the government was doing some sort of inventory of the countries guns in case they were needed for the war effort.

When I think old I'm usually thinking of somewhere around the Boer War as my cut-off point. Prefer single shots for rifles and revolvers in handguns. There where a few nice designs going into the 20's maybe....

Not that I turn my nose up at some of the modern guns. Its just he old stuff thats really interesting.
 
I just got a Henry Golden Boy in a trade. Pretty much brand new but it LOOKS old and its quite different-harkens back to the old designs in the late 19th century. Got 2 guns that are either already or just about 100 yrs old and they are a delight to shoot. Holding a piece of history like that is not something you get to do. Its different. Like showing up in a late 30s coupe at a shownshine. From the reactions I get from other members it seems they would like to have some of this too. I have new, nearly new, old and VERY old and I shoot them all but the most fun I get is from the weird old stuff. It pleases me greatly to shoot something that old that still shoots so well. Hope I work that good when Im that old guys. Yeah right.
Everybody out there have a wonderful long weekend. Im going shooting.
 
Jwirecom109 said:
Its like the cars from the late 60's, how many of those are still around and running and worth stupid amount of cash, why because they were built to last.
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Built to last but not to crash...most are deathtraps now.

As for old guns well the idea of planned obsolescence and selling a product based on how many aftermarket options one can add to it would have been considered a solid marketing fail back before the 80's.

Consumers have been condition these decades to think it's a good idea to buy something that needs work done to it out of the box and junk added onto it.

Case in point...
I have an old mossberg .22 from the 50's that I paid $90 that will outshoot many of the modern $500+ .22s out there. But some would consider it junk because there are no aftermarket fluted barrels, bannana mags and other such items available for it that aren't needed to make it shoot any better then what it can do from the factory.

Also many of our best hunting rifles of old came directly from Military surplus which where built to last...as failure not only possible meant death of the user but possible death of the nation that built the rifle. The majority of the problems of these came from being tweaked/bubbaed out of usable spec, or simply neglected by morons.

So yah there is something to be said about the old guns.
 
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I Like The Old Stuff as well. Mine are all over 50 years old with quite a few well over 100 years old and still shoot'n. My Great Grandad's 1886, 45-90 made in 1889, will still lay them in there at 100 yds.
 
Gunslingr said:
+1 and this also goes for standing up for our rights as gun owners. We are constantly undermining each other because the hunters dont care about handguns etc. We all like shooting therefore we should be fighting united instead of divided, the way were doing it now.

Also I like the old stuff too:D
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I just wish we could hunt with full auto nothing like hunting faster :p
 
Gatehouse said:
Then compare apples to apples.

You think you can't get a really nice rifle for $2000 + these days?

Or are you comparing your $2000 Mauser with a $350 Stevens?:p

What would you have paid in 1938 for a Mauser rifle?
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I wonder what the commercial value or availability was at the time for a commercial Mauser rifle given the scaling up of their military at the time?
 
I don't here from any of the black plastic?tacticool boys? I guess they even know quality when they see it! I can't believe the garbage Ruger and Remington are putting out today, Ruger has sandblasted finishes on there 10/22's replaced the front carbine band from metal to injectamoulded plastic, Remington's 870 now holds a second fiddle to the Norinco copies( very disapointing) I like to support Can/US companies, but for the most part the big boys are a big let down. In the last 10 years I can count on one hand the new guns I have bought, and I also can't remember how many Pre WWII gun I have bought as the quality found for the $$$ is extreamly good. The last aquisition was a Winchester model 12 black diamond grade for $500 buck!! I can't even buy a Rem 870 upland for that price. So I am glad that the majority love the new Tacticool guns with all the accesories, as it leaved the well built, beautiful craftsmanship of a by gone era for fellas like us, good day, dale in T-Bay
 
My 2 new rifles are CZs-a 452 and a 527 both lefties. Now I see that CZ has released the new CZ455 to replace the 452 and it is a cheaper gun. Seen the reports online in the US and not favorable. But we have the EE and shopping is good. Last 870 I bought I paid $250 for and stocks needed refinishing. I love the EE and shop it daily. New 870 Wingmaster is starting to look cheap too. Still there are some nice new guns out there but for value its awfully hard to beat the old used stuff. I can buy an Enfield for about $150 that will kill pretty much anything I can hunt legally in BC so there you go. Probably 60-80yrs old too. You see an occasional milsurp still packed in cosmoline and never fired. The value of used is never in question but in most cases all the bugs are long worked out too. My 110yr old 1894 has some wear on it but it cycles flawlessly and shoots really well. One big advantage of the old guns is most come with much better sights too. The irons on the 1894 look like Marbles and shoot well indeed. Going back in time and going to load cast for the 1894 38-55. I can imagine going old school all the way.
 
Same boat. I contrived the history bug through my Pop's. He would drag us kids through the rough ends of town "in search".
I gots my first new unit twenty years after I acquired my fac. I like it too.
Dwayner
 
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