I must be missing something

I can understand paying a large amount for an antique gun of collectible nature because it is something that cannot be replaced. But I think for a new firearm, there must be a line where materials and manhours are only worth so much. If your paying $20,000 for a new singlefire shotgun, its either made of gold, or your paying mostly for the name.

Do I want one? Yes. Do I want to pay for it? Not on my paycheck.
 
68camaro said:
I have been around guns a very long time ,...

... No single shot shotgun is worth over $ 120 of anybodies money ... do people really pay them kind of prices for an old single shot , ...

...I must be missing something :confused:
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I think what you are missing is that in the long time you have been around guns, that old CIL single shot hasn't really changed, but $120 has become worth much less than it once was.
 
supernova said:
I think the point he was making was theres some outrageous prices in the EE. I was looking for an M-14 until i seen people are selling them for what they payed for them or more after putting a few hundred rounds through them. Just a trend, I geuss. I personally bought the most expensive tactical shotgun my dealer had. Why? I liked the styling, features and feel better than the others. Doesnt mean it works any better or worse, I just like it. My father shoots trap and has some very expensive trap guns that by far outshoot mine, but my Benelli fits my needs as a defensive weapon. To each his own.
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OP is right. Some prices on EE are on the high side. But it's much easier to lower your price than raise it right? Everyone likes their own cup o' tea and if you can buy a single for $10 + shipping then great. You get what you pay for.
 
i will take a dozen unsingles . will go $125 thats $5 more than any single 12 guage LOL you gots too compair apples too apples . not prunes too cashews!!!!!!
 
pilon said:
Let me be the one who takes your gun to the range while you sit on the couch. I'll call ya. You'll never know the fun you missed. lol:p
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I love some of these comments they make sense , ha ha ha you right dude i would be missing some fun , I think some lost touch with what i was getting at and it gets out of hand , I am glad some get it ,
 
It's kind of like cars. I will use your avatar as an example. Back in 1968 a camaro went for anywhere from approx 2500.00 to 4600.00. Today those prices are anywhere from 1K to whatever someone wants to pay for it. I have seen some go for 80K and I'm sure there have been higher. All depends on options such as if it's an ss, rs, rs/ss 327, 350, 396, or a yenko 427.
I am not picking on your avatar. It happens to be my favorite car. Just needs to be blue. I do agree with you regarding the prices on EE and it makes it hard for the new guy like me to buy something from it. But as with everything else, if you take your time and do your research you will start to see what is a good deal and what is just an overflated imagination.
 
Kolar makes clay target shotguns. Web site is http://www.kolararms.com/ Mine has many optional extras plus exchange plus taxes, etc. Adds up fast.

You are correct, Camaro, it is not a single shot. It has a single barrel and an over under barrel as well. The point I was trying to make is that gun values are subjective and vary from person to person. This is my only hobby, no old cars, boats, ATVs, fishing tackle, etc. I shoot at 15,000 plus targets per year and need / want a gun that fits and is reliable. Missing targets is still fun with this gun.

BTW I get beaten all the time by guys shooting old 870s, Model 12s and 1100s. At the end of the day, we all had fun.
 
Most of the pricing on EE for the average run of the mill rifles and shotguns Standard shooters are always over priced then you see about 4or5 price drops and it gets close to where it should have been in the first place . As far as values of guns I'm not sure? when i was trap shooting in the early 1970's I bought a used Perrazzi MX8 for $1600.00 that was huge money Now that same gun sells for $8000.-$ 12000 used And that's selling prices you tell me They are not even that good a shotgun they had inherent problems .
 
I reckon there's a big difference between what a gun sells for, and what it's worth. Some people think that these are the same. Then again, some people drink before they bid. In live auctions, they're funny to watch. If a buyer does the research on the going price of a gun in X condition, the buyer decides what he/she's willing to pay.

I have a colleague who wanted $850 for a Beretta 320, well used and maintained. I got one for $425 with less use and in much better condition. He had an emotional tie to the gun; I didn't. Kudos to those who get good prices for their guns, and congratulations to those who buy them at that price as long as they have a reason to pay extra. Could be it's the model they learned on, or Dad's favourite. Maybe they want a matched pair of single-shot .22's for their twin daughters. Value is in the eye of the purchaser; price is just a measurement of that.

It does screw up valuations, though.
 
What's this forum called???
Gun Nutzzzzzzzzzzzzzz..........
Love the place though....
Bought a Winchester 94 30-30 here, had it for two days and my
dear friend replaced the funds and took it home with him today.
It replaced the one he was supposed to inherit.
The smile on his face was reward enough.
There will be another out there soon enough.
Thanks for the deal Mike on that nice old shooter.
My long time friend appreciates it.
 
lucky07 said:
what makes one cooey 840 worth 60 bucks and another 150 if they are both in the same conditions???. That's more of what the OP was about I think.

Comparing old C.I.L and cooey singles to 20k dollar trap guns is ridiculous, not in the same class at all.
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You got my friend :D another one that gets it, see it's not hard to grasp although many of you had good points that i read ,Thank you for that , It would just be nice if we could get back to being sensible and stop letting the cloud of greed rain down on us fogging up our good judgment , One dude on here said if you don't like the price don't buy it :eek:well buddy you don't get it ,it's over your head and i can't help but think those that were offended and lashed out at what i owned could be the very people that this thread is all about maybe not but we will never know, Another Gentleman on here drew a comparison on my old car that when it was knew was $2500 and now worth lets say $30.000 you made a good point ,well written and that would apply had i bought the car knew had it stored for 30 years and not spent a fortune on it However such is not the case thats been a money pit from day one Receipts totaling over $35.000 and climbing .
No wonder i drink. Hope i get to hell before it freezes over.
 
Sometimes, perhaps even often, when a firearm is no longer being manufactured the value of the surviving examples increases. However, customized firearms, particularly when poorly executed, have less value. Lets consider the ubiquitous Lee Enfield battle rifles. A full stocked SMLE, even the more cheaply made wartime production rifles, in top condition can bring in big dollars should an owner decide to sell. The "sporterized" versions that were for years sold in department and hardware stores at $15-$30, are worth little more in today's dollars. The sporters that were done up nicely by Churchill Arms and Parker Hale are worth little more. The true Lee Enfield/Lee Metford sporters produced prior to the First World War are another matter, as they too demand big money.

So too the Winchester and Cooey single shot shotguns. As time goes by, and the hard used guns will become unserviceable, and the value of the surviving guns will increase. However, those changed dramatically from original will probably be worth less. Sooner or later when a gunnut comes across a butchered Cooey, he'll probably comment, "Why would anyone do that to that nice little gun?"
 
Times change and so do prices. Our first brand new house cost $12,500 with a 100 by 200 foot lot in town. My dad never paid more than $50 for a pristine luger and he had more than a dozen of them. Everyone has their buttons, wheather it's cars, trucks, guns, accessories, or pay millions of dollars for a painting that looks like someone puked on it. At the end of the day people will sell stuff for what people are willing to pay for it. Be honest, if someone offered you $1000 for your single shot cooey would you tell them it's too much and that you would gladly take $50 instead. I don't think so.
 
struff55 said:
when i was trap shooting in the early 1970's I bought a used Perrazzi MX8 for $1600.00 that was huge money Now that same gun sells for $8000.-$ 12000 used And that's selling prices you tell me They are not even that good a shotgun they had inherent problems .
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When it comes to difficulties with Perazzis in the vast majority of cases it's because the owners have "inherent problems" not the guns.
 
struff55 said:
Most of the pricing on EE for the average run of the mill rifles and shotguns Standard shooters are always over priced then you see about 4or5 price drops and it gets close to where it should have been in the first place . As far as values of guns I'm not sure? when i was trap shooting in the early 1970's I bought a used Perrazzi MX8 for $1600.00 that was huge money Now that same gun sells for use$8000.-$ 12000 d And that's selling prices you tell me They are not even that good a shotgun they had inherent problems .
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Where are you buying your used Perazzi's @ $8000.-$ 12000 for an MX-8. I typically see them for well under $5,000. And what do you mean by inherent problems??
 
never owned a ford nor a 6 grand trap

68camaro said:
So which list do you belong on ??? I bet i know, picking on a mans car and his avatar . We all bow down to you mister ford man with your superior manufactured designed trap guns that is worth so much more then what i got.
Boy give your head a shake i think your eyes are stuck.
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Just pointing out that people have different ideas and are willing to support them, it was your comment that all singles were the same and worth little in YOUR STUCK EYES. Al the best art.h
 
68camaro said:
So which list do you belong on ??? I bet i know, picking on a mans car and his avatar . We all bow down to you mister ford man with your superior manufactured designed trap guns that is worth so much more then what i got.
Boy give your head a shake i think your eyes are stuck.
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love this avatar. had a brand new one back in '68, paid $4200. for her........:D
 
jethunter said:
I've been around humans a very long time... still can't explain why anyone gets their panties in a knot because of prices on the EE... if this is all you got to whine about, you must have one soft life.

Seller sets a price. You decide if you want to buy, negotiate, or walk away. Seems real simple...
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love this avatar too, had one similiar back in around '68..........:D
 
Another Gentleman on here drew a comparison on my old car that when it was knew was $2500 and now worth lets say $30.000 you made a good point ,well written and that would apply had i bought the car knew had it stored for 30 years and not spent a fortune on it However such is not the case thats been a money pit from day one Receipts totaling over $35.000 and climbing .


yeah but what a beautiful car it is. I'm sure it's worth every penny. Atleast to yourself as you paid for it and to someone who happens to love those types of cars. Others probably think we are crazy.
 
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