i need a new BIG bang stick.

westcoaster said:
Gibbs, with all due respect, I wouldn't class a 375 as a stopper either as it is near the same piece of lead traveling slower than a 338wm.

Heck, that's why I bought a Rigby.
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The 375 is marginal, but the right side of the margin! Velocity is not everything, think of all those old british rounds travelling at about 2200 fps but still did the job. A heavy for calibre bullet travelling at a moderate velicity doses wonders on game. Even heavy stopping rounds such as the 450 to 500 nitro expresses.

Can't fault you on the Rigby either!!:D
 
Boomer said:
As a measure of what you should consider your personal maximum recoil tolerance from field positions, sure; if you can shoot 3 rounds well, you can handle it well enough to hunt with it. I could hold 3 shots prone from the .416, (350s ahead of 102 grs of H-4350) and 5 prone from the .375 Ultra (300s ahead of 92 grs of H-4350) was quite doable. Shooting from sitting with the .458, (short shank 500s ahead of 76 grs of H-335) I usually run out of ammo before I've had enough, but that M-70 is only a 3 shooter. None of these rifles were much over 9 lbs, the Ultra was 7 lbs with the factory stock, but the McMillan made it 9 as well. Watching myself shoot the Ultra prone in slow motion is an education. It looks as if the rifle drives my shoulder back 6", but it didn't feel as bad as it looked. I'd post it if I could figure out how, but my computer and my video camera aren't on speaking terms.

I fired as many as 5 rounds from prone with the .416, but it was a foolish exercise, with the same results each time, the 4th shot would hurt (every time), and while 5th shot didn't, my concentration wasn't there to break it cleanly. That's where I hit the wall and I lost the rifle before I could get beyond it.

When I was shooting the .500 Nitro, (580s over 89 grs of 3031) all the shooting was off hand, but after a dozen or so rounds with that 19th Century hard rubber pad, I'd had enough, and I harped the two triggers once to boot. The rifle might have been made in the 1920's but the rubber in that pad had to be a 100 years older than the rifle.
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5 rounds from a .416 Rigby in the prone position would be more than enough fun for me. I eventually set a limit of 30 rounds per day for that cartridge, but have sort of put it away to pursue other interests anyway.

I'm OK with letting rifles over .375 stray into the "specialty" category now.
 
Between its weight and the brake, it'll be interesting to see how many rounds are tolerable from your Cheytac. It might be a pussycat, but it might not be too. The .416 was my limit for what I'd consider a general purpose hunting rifle, but I like the .375 Ultra enough that I doubt I'd get another .416. The .458 is more specialty item. Speaking of which I've got to spend some more time with that thing, I've been cuddled up to my .30/06 pretty regularly since spring. The ice on the Bay is breaking up pretty good now, and last night there were thousands of belugas in the river, so the bears will be along shortly.
 
Have to agree with Dogleg here, since i finish the load devellopement for my 416 Rigby, i never shoot more than 5 shot offhand and my practice is done for that day, no way is it pleasant to shot that caliber, i bought that for Africa and it's vocation is for hunting extra big dangerous stuff, no way i see the 416 as a recreational shooting rifle... JP.
 
My Rigby is on a CZ 550 Magnum. In all honesty I can't recall the recoil when shooting it hunting. It's primary use at this time is bears - works very well.

On a bench I use an extra slip-on recoil pad. With that 20 to 30 rounds and I'm about done.

Praticing offhand shooting I will load a batch up at 95 grains of H4831, thats noticably easier.
 
Boomer said:
Between its weight and the brake, it'll be interesting to see how many rounds are tolerable from your Cheytac. It might be a pussycat, but it might not be too. The .416 was my limit for what I'd consider a general purpose hunting rifle, but I like the .375 Ultra enough that I doubt I'd get another .416. The .458 is more specialty item. Speaking of which I've got to spend some more time with that thing, I've been cuddled up to my .30/06 pretty regularly since spring. The ice on the Bay is breaking up pretty good now, and last night there were thousands of belugas in the river, so the bears will be along shortly.
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The .375 Cheytac at 18 pounds and no brake calculates out to about the same recoil as the 2200 fps 450gr loads in the .458, and 20% less than my 2350 fps loads.

Needless to say, the brake is a vital part of the plan.;) For fun the Cheytac recoil in a 10 pound rifle is roughly double that of the .458. Way too much fun for me.
 
so sense i am mainly going to be hunting animals like moose, deer, black bear, and such, should i just get myself a nice little short 12 gauge for grizzly protection?
 
RememberTheSomme said:
:slap:..........f:P:...........ovrec........omg after so much info and help on a hard hitting brush rifle..........
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well it was just a thought, i am probaly going to get a 300 win mag if i can fond a good rifle with sights, if not i think i am going to get a savage alaskan brush hunter in 338 win mag. in the mean time ill just be carrying my savage scout in 308.
 
whitetailwoodsarcher said:
well i decided i need to upgrade from my 308, i would like to try hunting with a firearm with a little bit more power. looking for some thing that has easy to get ammo at reasonable prices and its has enuff power to drop a grizzly when i am hunting in grizzly country. i also want it to be light weight. price range is 1100 bucks. also looking for something with irons. with the ability of mounting a scope.
thanks.
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Since I live in Grizz country I had the same scenario......The problem was solved with a .375 Ruger Alaskan with a Leupold VX3 2.5-8 mounted with Warne QD Rings.....I take her fishing and hunting and she never complains.

Don't listen to all the B.S. about not being able to find ammo........go buy a few boxes and you'll be good to go.
 
1899 said:
He said from any field position. I can start rattling off numerous ones that I would not fire even once from prone! Unbraked .378 Wby from prone anyone? ;)

And yes, that Tikka pad is a joke. I am sure I will be comfortable for 2x as many rounds from the bench now.
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no prob
 
Your chances of EVER having to face a grizzly while hunting or otherwise engaged in the outdoors are less than winning lotto max. Your 308 is more than up to the task that you are asking. If you are truly concerned just load up some good stiff loads with 200 or 220 Partitions, make sure you know they hit more or less point of aim at 25 yds and you will kill any grizzly that takes a shine to you every bit as effectively as a 338 or 375. Now if you just want a new rifle....................
 
J.G. said:
It all depends on where you live and play............I'm going to buy a Super 7 ticket !
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Ya, true, but you and I live in some of the most thickly grizzly infested areas of Canada, OP lives in Sask.
In all my days and nights affield I've never encountered an aggressive grizzly, quite the opposite, they usually bolt at the sight of man bearing firearms. I have been bluff charged a couple of times, but this was not really aggression as much as it was defence posturing, due to my own stupidity.
 
c-fbmi said:
Ya, true, but you and I live in some of the most thickly grizzly infested areas of Canada, OP lives in Sask.
In all my days and nights affield I've never encountered an aggressive grizzly, quite the opposite, they usually bolt at the sight of man bearing firearms. I have been bluff charged a couple of times, but this was not really aggression as much as it was defence posturing, due to my own stupidity.
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True.....very true.......
The only aggressive bears I have encountered have been blacks. But I do feel a little more comfortable wandering the river bank during salmon season and the bush in the fall with a rifle I know will drop any bear with the proper shot when needed.
 
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