I Need Help Identifying Who Made This Enfield!

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I have looked on the internet and I can’t find any information on the manufacture of this Enfield.

The information on the metal band between the butt and the stock is:

A (crown) with C.R underneath
I think it then says NFIELD the N is what is throwing me off.
1917
III*
F.R.T.

Thanks
 
Enfield said:
I have looked on the internet and I can’t find any information on the manufacture of this Enfield.

You weren't looking in the right place on the Internet. ;)

Check the British Service Rifles (click here)http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=82870 section of CGN's MKB (Milsurp Knowledge Base). You'll find an example of an 1916 ShtLE (Short Lee-Enfield) No.1 MkIII* Sniper Rifle c/w Winchester A5 (5 Power) Offset Scope, manufactured by RSAF Enfield. Note the inscription on the right side butt tang and I think that's what you may have. You may not be seeing the "E".

If you click on the picture virtual tour link in the MKB for this particular Enfield, you'll see a lot more pics that will help you validate if it's built by RSAF Enfield, or not.

Here's the specific pic from the MKB that I'm referring to.........


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Regards,
Badger
 
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stamp looks like these


1918 MkIII*
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1924 MkIII (for you date and factory experts yes that correct :) )
en1efd24mm.jpg
 
the FRT is probably a poorly stamped RFI. This would indicate refurbishment in India.

It could also be "FTR" which would be "factory Thorough Repair". this would indicate it was rearsenalled at some point.
 
Nfield III*

If your description of the markings is correct, you may have yourself a genuine "Khyber Pass Special". A typical Paki hand made fake, in the same or lower class as a "bubba special" in years gone by, but maybe more of a collectibale nowadays. They are notorious for mis-spelled and extra markings.
 
slicknick said:
If indeed it is a Kyber Pass special then it definitnely has character

Might be worthwhile to validate for sure what it is. If indeed a Khyber Pass rifle, then according to this article it could be dangerous. ;)

Regards,
Badger

Khyber Pass Copies (click here .. scroll near bottom)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee-Enfield

A number of British Service Rifles, predominantly the Martini-Henry and Martini-Enfield, but also the various Lee-Enfield rifles- have been produced by small manufacturers in the Khyber Pass region of the Indian/Pakistani/Afghani border. "Khyber Pass Copies", as they are known, tend to be copied exactly from a "Master" rifle, which may itself be a Khyber Pass Copy, markings and all- which is why it's not uncommon to see Khyber Pass rifles with the "N" in "Enfield" reversed, amongst other things.

The quality on such rifles varies from "As good as a factory-produced example" to "Dangerously unsafe", tending towards the latter end of the scale. The ammunition used in the region is often underloaded, being made from a variety of powders -or even old film (which contains nitrocellulose, a key component of smokeless powder), and as such, Khyber Pass Copy rifles cannot generally stand up to the pressures generated by modern commercial ammunition.

It is generally advised that Khyber Pass made firearms NOT be fired under any circumstances.

Although there are a few collectors out there who have made extremely mild handloaded cartridges for their Khyber Pass rifles, this practice is not recommended, as there is nonetheless a high element of risk involved.

Khyber Pass Copies can be recognised by a number of factors, notably:

Spelling errors in the markings; as noted the most common of which is a reversed "N" in "Enfield")
V.R. (Victoria Regina) cyphers dated after 1901; Queen Victoria died in 1901, so any rifles made after 1901 should be stamped "E.R" (Edwardius Rex - King Edward VII or King Edward VIII) or "G.R" (Georgius Rex, - King George V or King George VI).
Generally inferior workmanship, including weak/soft metal, poorly finished wood, and badly struck markings.
 
photos are important!

If this is indeed a Khyber Pass Special, I would love to see the markings.

I well remember seeing a whole shipment of these guns, once upon a time, including such monsters as Martini-Henry pistols in .577/.450 and .303 both, Queen Victoria's signet mixed with 1920s dates........ all kinds of fun!
 
Khyber pass stuff is interesting, to say the least. I've seen pictures of Hi-Powers, 1911's, Makarovs, AK's, Martinis, Enfields, even Mausers made in "The Pass".

Once on gunboards, a visitor to the region posted photos of them copying a Desert Eagle .50AE!!! It was really interesting - all the lathes were foot powered, all the metal work done by hand with files and saws!
 
Ok I took some pictures of the Enfield. The rifle only has a 3 digit serial number and it looks like all of the parts match.

Thanks input

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EDIT: Moved to my host and resizer 5 megabyte pics smaller for convenience of dial-up members
 
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That's an Enfield made MkIII* that's been FTR (Factory thorough Repaired). Not a khyber pass rifle, should be fine.

The "E" is missing from Enfield due to an incomplete strike when it was stamped. Nothing to worry about.
 
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