Kranger_Rudy
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I don't understand what you're trying to say. The AR-10 was also restricted. These firearms were granted NR status because they were not compatible with upper/lower of AR15 or AR10, thus not variants.
!!! I NEED YOUR HELP !!! Calling on Retailers, Distributors, and Average Joes
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I don't understand what you're trying to say. The AR-10 was also restricted. These firearms were granted NR status because they were not compatible with upper/lower of AR15 or AR10, thus not variants.
ATRS Shaun
Business Member Rep.
- Location
- Calgary, AB
One model of AR10 was non restricted, the ORIGINAL, which is what the 102 was based on. The Armalite Division of Fairchild Aircraft AR-10 design.
Either way, I'm not trying to dispute or interpret the information in this thread, I'm just trying to gather any and all that I can. As it sits, in half of one day, I've got nearly 12 GB's of FRT entries but no inspection reports.
Kranger_Rudy
Member
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- Nova scotia
Fascinating. Sorry for my ignorance, b-wingpilot. Just when I thought our firearm classifications couldn't be more confusing..
ATRS Shaun
Business Member Rep.
- Location
- Calgary, AB
I have an email sent to him (the only contact I have) but if someone has his number and could PM me it or email it to me, that would be much appreciated.
F#@&!!! I just deleted his cell phone number not too long ago @#$@%&#!! grrr
I'm sure someone else around here still has it.
He's fairly quick to respond on Facebook, you might be able to get a hold of him there (If he doesn't answer an email).
Also, apologies Shaun; if I would have know you were looking for the more detailed inspection report, I wouldn't have wasted your time with just the 3 page FRT entry that you likely already had.
Hey ATRS,
I will be sending you an email with public FRT printouts for all OIC-affected firearms whose FRT information changed pre- and post-OIC along with a summary of changes. The method being used will be able to provide a comprehensive list of changes.
I will be sending you an email with public FRT printouts for all OIC-affected firearms whose FRT information changed pre- and post-OIC along with a summary of changes. The method being used will be able to provide a comprehensive list of changes.
LeadMonkey
CGN frequent flyer
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- Off The Radar
The only real recourse the firearms community has against these assclowns is getting them in front of a (conservative minded) judge. While under oath they will give sworn testimony and purger themselves, if there is any justice left in the world it will be brought by the judicial system, they MUST face the consequences this time.
Hopefully this case can produce long drawn out testimony in which they are forced to explain in detail and try to defend their repeated negligent decisions for many specific firearms.
This would ideally accomplish 2 goals:
1. establish that they have no idea what they are doing, at best leading to the destruction of the FRT in its entirety and the firing of everyone in that lab, with the court ordering to prohibit bureaucracy from determining classifications in the future.
2. transcripts from these proceedings opening Pandora’s box of civil litigation seeking damages in the billions for all victims involved for many years to come, ideally including the personal bankruptcy and imprisonment of Mr. Murray Smith
This might all sound far fetched but it’s how we win.
IMO we can never win the war long term against the politicians who are ultimately unaccountable. However, these bureaucrats have never had to answer to a judicial court and it’s about time, hopefully the courts will not stand for them ‘playing games’ as in the past and justice is finally served.
Donated!
Hopefully this case can produce long drawn out testimony in which they are forced to explain in detail and try to defend their repeated negligent decisions for many specific firearms.
This would ideally accomplish 2 goals:
1. establish that they have no idea what they are doing, at best leading to the destruction of the FRT in its entirety and the firing of everyone in that lab, with the court ordering to prohibit bureaucracy from determining classifications in the future.
2. transcripts from these proceedings opening Pandora’s box of civil litigation seeking damages in the billions for all victims involved for many years to come, ideally including the personal bankruptcy and imprisonment of Mr. Murray Smith
This might all sound far fetched but it’s how we win.
IMO we can never win the war long term against the politicians who are ultimately unaccountable. However, these bureaucrats have never had to answer to a judicial court and it’s about time, hopefully the courts will not stand for them ‘playing games’ as in the past and justice is finally served.
Donated!
LeadMonkey
CGN frequent flyer
- Location
- Off The Radar
thank you sir!
Contact Irunguns if you have time. Other importers/dealers should have had experience with this too. I dunno if this will help at all but if you can get ahold of them they should be able to provide you with a bunch of examples of the RCMP pulling FRT numbers on tons for AR-15's well well in advance of the ban. Perhaps a year or more before the ban. This is when they started with the SP1 standard they made up and decided to ban AR-15's that had the rear section of the lower milled out more than they liked. What the lab did was they just went ahead and removed those FRT entries willy nilly as they pleased. They wouldn't tell the owners that their firearm is no longer in the FRT, the owners kept the gun that the RCMP just said didn't meet their SP1 standard (easily convertible was the argument) and registration remained unchanged. They didnt even inform the owners. Since these guns now had no FRT no more of that model could be imported. This was a tactic to reduce the number of AR-15's imported before they could go ahead with OIC in my humble opinion. Perhaps this information could be used in your case....
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