I need your help figuring out LR competitions

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schumy

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I'd like to start doing some Long range competitions in Quebec and Ontario. I've been looking through the rules for a few and there are many restrictions on what is allowed. I'm not going to be a hardcore competitor going every weekend, but I would still like to go once a month if possible.

My plan was to get a pgw in 6.5 Creedmoor as my dedicated long range rifle. But that would mean I'm taking myself out of all F class competitions due to the brake, as well as many that have caliber restrictions.

So the question becomes, what kind of competitions can I go to where there are no restrictions on brakes/caliber?

Cheers!
 
The PGW guns are set up so the brake can be easily removed repeatedly. They are set up the same was as the military rifles where the suppressor gets put on and off a lot. So if you can't shoot with a brake take it off when necessary.
Having said that. If you want a PGW for competition. I would recommend against the chassis for a few reasons.
The biggest being the height of the bottom of the butt compared to the pistol grip. PGW totally dropped the ball on this one. Which has had people cutting their pistol grips down so they can run a decent rear bag set up.
Also the butt on the chassis has very little LOP adjustment. I personally find the butt too long even at the shortest length for certain positions that aren't prone.
I have also seen the hinges not lock up perfectly tightly. Albeit not a big enough problem for most styles of shooting. I wouldn't want a folder for an F class shoot.

Those are my opinions.
The brakes come off and go on easily. I doubt with much of a change in POI.
 
The butt of the stock is high but it is for placing it in the correct position for shooting prone as it is non adjustable in the vertical plane. It's LOP and cheek piece are no different than an McM A5. it has a very neutral balance that makes the gun feel lighter than its actual weight. Like anything it takes getting used to. I use a Tab Gear square bag under the toe of the butt stock and it is rock solid. Cutting down the pistol grip?! I wont even comment on this suggestion???.
The only thing in its design that has been an issue is the capacity and length of the magazines. Forced mag changes during 10-rd stages put you at a disadvantage. This has been addressed with 10rd mags being introduced however this exagerates the other issue; mag length. They get in the way of positioning your support hand when shooting standing and occassionally foul against your sling. The AI's and TRG's are great in this respect with their flush fit mags.
Muzzle brake is a non issue as its removable. Lets be realistic this is not an F-class gun, nor a dedicated PRS rifle. It will serve both roles well enough for the casual shooter. The emphasis on dedicated "PRS" builds as of late is laughable. For the matches that we will see in Canada pretty much any precision rifle will work as long as you know it and your dope well.
 
schumy said:
Yeah, it's part of what I read. And figured out that it had many many restrictions, sadly...
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Many, many restrictions?
I must be missing something here.
For DCRA/ORA Sniper/Precision it is any rifle, any sight, trigger not less than 1 kg, field expedient front rest or basic bipod (many, most competitors use a Harris). Can't get much simpler than this.
There may be caliber restrictions on some DND ranges. .338LM at Connaught is problematic. Your 6.5 Creedmore would be good to go anywhere.
I don't shoot F-Class, but the rules for a F-TR are pretty basic. F-TR does have caliber restrictions, .308 or .223.
Just about anything goes for F-O rifles, apart from brakes.
It is odd that brakes aren't allowed in F, but are pretty much universal in Sniper/Precision.
 
CanuckR said:
The PGW guns are set up so the brake can be easily removed repeatedly. They are set up the same was as the military rifles where the suppressor gets put on and off a lot. So if you can't shoot with a brake take it off when necessary.
Having said that. If you want a PGW for competition. I would recommend against the chassis for a few reasons.
The biggest being the height of the bottom of the butt compared to the pistol grip. PGW totally dropped the ball on this one. Which has had people cutting their pistol grips down so they can run a decent rear bag set up.
Also the butt on the chassis has very little LOP adjustment. I personally find the butt too long even at the shortest length for certain positions that aren't prone.
I have also seen the hinges not lock up perfectly tightly. Albeit not a big enough problem for most styles of shooting. I wouldn't want a folder for an F class shoot.

Those are my opinions.
The brakes come off and go on easily. I doubt with much of a change in POI.
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Let's all just keep one thing in mind about the PGW Systems, they were purpose designed and competition was not in the intended use for these systems or the chassis for that matter....you wouldn't buy a corvette and enter the mud Boggs would you....
 
tiriaq said:
It is odd that brakes aren't allowed in F, but are pretty much universal in Sniper/Precision.
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In a busy match, you might be lying down less than 3 feet from the other two guys shooting at your target. 15 rounds plus 2 sighters each makes a max of 51 rounds.
If all three shooters have nice efficient brakes, you'll be bleeding from your ears before the first relay is done.
 
Why don't you come try F-Class on May 14th at PQRA ? Check our website for more info, but for 40$ for the day, totally worth it. We shoot at BFC Valcartier, near Québec City
 
bobfortier said:
Why don't you come try F-Class on May 14th at PQRA ? Check our website for more info, but for 40$ for the day, totally worth it. We shoot at BFC Valcartier, near Québec City
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This is the way to do it, jump in with both feet and see how you and your equipment do. I did my first match with like 6 trips out before hand and 500 rounds later. It was a good test of my equipment and my ability (or lack of). I figured out what works and what I need to work on (everything!).
 
Thorvikingpower said:
Let's all just keep one thing in mind about the PGW Systems, they were purpose designed and competition was not in the intended use for these systems or the chassis for that matter....you wouldn't buy a corvette and enter the mud Boggs would you....
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And for many "working" rifles, your thoughts would be bang on. The PGW's that do compete out West in F class have done exceedingly well.

In fact, at the Westerns in Chilliwack a couple of years back, BOTH FTR and F Open were won by shooters using PGW rifles. the 308 was actually one of the prizes offered by PGW so no mods were done except load and shoot.

I am not a fan of the chassis but that goes for pretty much any chassis... but that is just me. You definitely want a stock that is comfy for long periods of time when in the prone position if shooting F class. Lie behind your rifle for 45 mins and see if it is going to work for you.

As an action, it is big, robust, heavy and works very well. Their bedding system is unique and innovative.

If you want to get into F Open and precision forms of shooting, the PGW action can serve you very well. Steve and Ross will build you a quality rig... just make sure you tell them the application cause there are always compromises to everything.

Put on a good optic and load up some ammo. F class is alot of fun and you are going to learn alot about you, your gear and your ability to deliver a perfect shot. A great way to learn the shooting skills to apply to other sports and games.

Jerry
 
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