I pulled out the Ross and everybody hid behind the truck!

Any gun that has do-it-yourself drilled holes I have now started calling unique works of gunsmithing art. And I do sincerely apologize for using the B word about any unique work of gunsmithing art. I have removed the word from my vocabulary and you will never hear it again in the black and green shotgun forum where we are discussing this.

I have been corrected about modified military rifles. I always thought it was such a shame to cut them up, but now I see how it makes them better. I'm going to start buying up all the cheap unique works of art in the EE before people realize that they are worth so much more than they think.

I am so sorry guys. I truly did not realize there were people so sensitive about the B word and I won't use it ever again when talking about tactical shotguns. I promise.

f:P:

We have very different opinions, evidently. Ignoring the figured walnut stock, finely cut checkering, expertly shortened barrel with original front sight, and looking only at the drilled holes, then yes, this rifle is a bubba through and through. I personally believe that if someone takes the time to do the job right and it ends up both working and looking fantastic, it does not and never will qualify as a bubba. Also, look at it this way, one less collectible Ross, so the ones you have are worth more. Oh, and I am a Machinist by trade, so yes, I know absolutely nothing about drilling and tapping holes and making dovetailed scope bases on the mill. Like you said, at home bubba work.

Oh, and this is the extreme end of what I consider to be bubba work:

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Blast, you are taking this way too seriously. I'm joking around and having fun. I like to do that when people get there hackles up about silly stuff. Just relax. It really don't matter what I call your rifle, it's just a rifle.

I don't even like milsurps. I sold all of mine! Then a frickin milsurp thread showed up in my shotgun forum and I had a terrible relapse with the B word. I booked an appointment with my therapist to get this nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand :)

PS, I like your Mosin. You should be proud
 
Blast, you are taking this way too seriously. I'm joking around and having fun. I like to do that when people get there hackles up about silly stuff. Just relax. It really don't matter what I call your rifle, it's just a rifle.

I don't even like milsurps. I sold all of mine! Then a frickin milsurp thread showed up in my shotgun forum and I had a terrible relapse with the B word. I booked an appointment with my therapist to get this nipped in the bud before it gets out of hand :)

PS, I like your Mosin. You should be proud

Haha, fair enough. Thankfully, not mine, but a creation of someone on the internet. Like the...uh... "pistol" grip on that beast?
 
Haha, fair enough. Thankfully, not mine, but a creation of someone on the internet. Like the...uh... "pistol" grip on that beast?

oh, I know, it belongs to your 'friend'.

It's ok. I won't tell. I do in fact like what you did....er I mean what your 'friend' did with the pistol grip. Is that black rattle can on stag? Truly stunning.

:) :)
 
f:P:

Oh, and this is the extreme end of what I consider to be bubba work:

Ort4v.jpg

Is that a pistol grip on that finely crafted 'tactical Mosin-Nagant 91/30 assault rifle'? I thought it looked more like one of those buttstock monopods used to tame the awesome recoil to allow faster and more accurate follow-up shots.

I must admit, I've only ever seen them on LMGs like the early Bren guns (to help the gunner control recoil while firing bursts from prone position to allow more accurate cover fire) and on sniper rifles that were either extremely heavy (to help support the weight to reduce tremble while aiming) or in heavy-recoil calibres (for faster follow-up shots). I've never really consider the 91/30 firing 7.62mmR to fall into any of those categories...

Was the bayonet refinished in a camo pattern to reduce glare?

As far as the Ross shown earlier, it looks like one of the English "gun trade" Rosses. After WW2, the Rosses shipped to England for emergency rearmament were turned over to the English gun trade - companies like Parker Hale - to be turned into nice looking hunting rifles. The same thing was done with a lot of Lee Enfield Mk IIIs and No. 4s. The resulting sporting rifles were then sold abroad as a means to bring needed hard currency back into the UK.

The degree of work done varied from just putting on a nicer 'Monte Carlo' wood sporting stock to replacing sights, changing triggers, and sometimes fitting different barrels. (Some of the wartime manufacture British No. 4s definitely needed better barrels). The Ross rifles were all so well made to such a high standard that most of them just had the barrel shortened and either a nicer sporting stock put on or else just the forewood trimmed.

In keeping with British hunting preferences of the time, most of the rifles were either left with their original military iron sights or else had express leaf sights fitted instead; no provision for scopes. Although some of Parker Hales 'deluxe' Lee Enfield sporting rifles could be ordered with a side-mounted scope base if desired.

It looks like your Ross was a higher grade 'Gun Trade' rework -- and then Bubba in North America decided he wanted to mount his cool new Weaver scope on it and drilled and tapped the appropriate holes...
 
oh, I know, it belongs to your 'friend'.

It's ok. I won't tell. I do in fact like what you did....er I mean what your 'friend' did with the pistol grip. Is that black rattle can on stag? Truly stunning.

:) :)

Is that a pistol grip on that finely crafted 'tactical Mosin-Nagant 91/30 assault rifle'? I thought it looked more like one of those buttstock monopods used to tame the awesome recoil to allow faster and more accurate follow-up shots.

I must admit, I've only ever seen them on LMGs like the early Bren guns (to help the gunner control recoil while firing bursts from prone position to allow more accurate cover fire) and on sniper rifles that were either extremely heavy (to help support the weight to reduce tremble while aiming) or in heavy-recoil calibres (for faster follow-up shots). I've never really consider the 91/30 firing 7.62mmR to fall into any of those categories...

Now... I'm pretty sure here... but I think that is a stippled dildo. Or the unfortunate limb of a tree... but I'm going with dildo. Final answer.

Oh god, I can't contain my laughter! I'm giggling like a 12 year old.


Was the bayonet refinished in a camo pattern to reduce glare?

As far as the Ross shown earlier, it looks like one of the English "gun trade" Rosses. After WW2, the Rosses shipped to England for emergency rearmament were turned over to the English gun trade - companies like Parker Hale - to be turned into nice looking hunting rifles. The same thing was done with a lot of Lee Enfield Mk IIIs and No. 4s. The resulting sporting rifles were then sold abroad as a means to bring needed hard currency back into the UK.

The degree of work done varied from just putting on a nicer 'Monte Carlo' wood sporting stock to replacing sights, changing triggers, and sometimes fitting different barrels. (Some of the wartime manufacture British No. 4s definitely needed better barrels). The Ross rifles were all so well made to such a high standard that most of them just had the barrel shortened and either a nicer sporting stock put on or else just the forewood trimmed.

In keeping with British hunting preferences of the time, most of the rifles were either left with their original military iron sights or else had express leaf sights fitted instead; no provision for scopes. Although some of Parker Hales 'deluxe' Lee Enfield sporting rifles could be ordered with a side-mounted scope base if desired.

It looks like your Ross was a higher grade 'Gun Trade' rework -- and then Bubba in North America decided he wanted to mount his cool new Weaver scope on it and drilled and tapped the appropriate holes...

Interesting. I posted the rifle on on the Ross Rifle forums and haven't gotten much in the way if info. There is a small amount of figure in the wood. It's hard to see, but would likely show up much better if it was stripped and Tung-oiled. The thing I can't get over is how damn heavy the thing is. It's nearly 10 lbs. yet it balances perfectly at the front action/takedown screw. It feels much lighter to hold than just about any other rifle I own, despite weighing significantly more. It must be artificially weighted as I cannot fathom that the action and back half of the stock equal the wight of the barrel, however my experience with these rifles is very limited, so it could very well be the natural balance point. It's absolutely gorgeous, and from the viewpoint of a hunting rifle, I got it for an absolutely amazing price. It is the most elegant rifle I own, and the least expensive centerfire in my small collection. I can't wait to retrofit it with a proper scope system and make into a truly wonderful sporting rifle. Unfortunately, the "work" done to the rear bridge would make fitting the original irons a rather unsightly prospect, might not even been possible as the screw hole that holds the spring is now an #8-32 thread.

Having said all that, I believe we have completely derailed OPs thread. Sorry about that...
 
Blastattack;8526638Having said all that said:
Yeah, I got sidetracked by YOUR Ross, but then, unlike the OP, YOU posted a photo of it... Actually, I meant to ask:

Nelson84: You got a photo of the old "Hun-killer" that made all your shooting buddies hide in fear? I'd like to see it...
 
ya know, people that frequent the milsurp forum probably would rather see it more than the tac shotgun crowd. New Ross threads get a lot of interest there.

unless the hun killer also has a black dildo pistol grip. If that's the case I want to see it
 
Yeah, I got sidetracked by YOUR Ross, but then, unlike the OP, YOU posted a photo of it... Actually, I meant to ask:

Nelson84: You got a photo of the old "Hun-killer" that made all your shooting buddies hide in fear? I'd like to see it...

Behold the Hun Killer!
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Looks to be early Tapco stock before they went to the ### plastic.
 
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