I request your help. Lets take a stand.

pharaoh2 said:
And the idea of training the Canadian Forces, great idea. tell them that.
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Yep I can read the headlines now.........
"Canadian Troops Target Practise on Deer !" :rolleyes:
Probably not the best PR move for them;)

I dunno........many of these animals would simply not be "accessible" by Ground shooters ?

The Local Coyotes will eat well in either case...:redface:
 
CWD is a VERY serious threat to all deer populations and to deer hunting as we know it. the only known control is to exterminate all deer in an affected area. Saskatchewan has used a limited cull, issuing extra tags to hunters. It was not enough. CWD has spread to several new areas and was not eliminated in the original "hot " spots. A few hunter-wise deer hiding out in inaccessable coulees is all it takes to keep the disease going. I say use helicopters, military if necessary, and describe the effort as a depopulation, NOT a hunt, and get 'er done. All carcasses must be removed or infected bones will spread the prions back into the population years later when the area is re-colonized. Half measures will not control this disease. And while they're at it, all deer farming shoud be banned for the greater good. This disease was introduced by infected elk from the USA and deer farms are creating unacceptable risks for healthy wild populations.
 
A few years back they (FW) used helicopters to thin out the moose population in Elk Island park ,so the metod must work ,also seen FW use helicopters to chase rams back into the national parks before the season starts , but thats a different story. I agree it's kind of a crapy way to cull but CWD has to be stopped.
 
Isn't CWD in ungulates the same thing as Mad Cow Disease in bovines?

Interesting stuff..................

CWD or Transmissible Spongiform Encephalopathy (TSE) vs Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy (BSE)

Wikipedia said:
Other ruminant species, including wild ruminants and domestic cattle and goats, have been housed in wildlife facilities in direct or indirect contact with CWD-affected deer and elk with no evidence of disease transmission.
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You should offer alternatives to the chopper shoot, like a national CGN cull shoot.

First off, choppers are very expensive to keep in the air. I contend that this money would be better spent flying Gunnuts from all over Canada, all expenses paid, for a 10 day cull of those nasty sicko deers. I think we can get the job done quickly, humanely, and for less money.

I would propse only two restrictions on the participants ....

#1 NO BLACK GUNS ..... as they are for terrorists only.
#2 NO WSM/WSSMS ..... as they are for short guys only.

I for one am willing to stand up and do this thing for King and Country. :canadaFlag:

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There was a great article in Deer and deerhunter last month in regards to CWD looks like they are discovering some facts about CWD. And it looks as if a mature buck is much more dangerous as thier range is much greater than an immature buck or Doe. I too would also recommend getting the hunters involved in the cull. I have been involved with Helicopters when darting Elk and it seemed to work well for them.
 
BIGREDD said:
Anyone who thinks that helicopters are not the most effective way to cull deer or any other wildlife needs to give their head a shake!
http://www.extension.org/pages/Wolves_Damage_Management
http://www.stuff.co.nz/southlandtimes/3974951a6568.html
http://www.ramblers.org.uk/scotland/countryside/deer-management-press.html

Scroll down to Paragraph 18 on this one..http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/polsum/DeerPolicySummary.pdf
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That's fine and it even sounds formal. But your neglecting one thing. This isn't remote wilderness. Were not in Ontario. This is prairie. Roads ##### cross the landscape. Were not talking about blazing trails, or having to search vast country sides in search of the elusive creatures. You can spot these deer literaly for miles. I belive the number was about 1600 deer they shot last year. From a good rest. Am I the only one who see's the unethical behaviour here? I've posted a similar thread on other boards I belong to- American boards, and they all agree this is not the best image or humane treatment. These animals deserve a little more respect than flying around and mowing them down. Come on, you cant tell me they deserve this treatment. The job has to be done, and I acknowledge there are alot of animals going to be put down. I'm fine with that, but I'm not fine with Rambo buzzing around blowing legs off deer, and knowing full well it will happen. If you pursue these creatures, and view them with so little regard, then the true meaning of the hunt has been lost. I find the whole notion offensive.
 
this thread just got me thinking !
people need more education about hunting .
thats not a new subject, but we need to inform the public more often about the absolute NEED for hunting .
we got deer hurds starving and getting sick and desease and more and more bears comming in to citys and moose comming in to citys and many more management issues to name a few.

the puplic would like to belive that its a privilage to hunt .
and some ignorant polititions in ontario would challenge the validity of firearmes ownership .

when in fact its not only our right ,its our RESPONSIBILITY to take care of our wildlife and that requires hunting
 
Let me put this in perspective with a possible scenerio:

Buddy goes up in a helicopter and shoots a few deer. In the process, he blows off a few of their legs. The deer survive and wander down the road.

A few weeks later, a nice family is driving through the country and sees a small herd of deer feeding off the road. They pull over and watch them. The youngest child notices a deer in particular and asks how come it only has three legs. The response could be somthing like "Because men with guns hurt the deer" The child would then ask why would anyone want to hurt a sweet animal like a deer. The answer could be "Because hunters are bad men, who leave animals to suffer"

The child goes to school and tells his classmates what he saw. They tell the teacher. The teacher then makes a project out of it. Already we've lost alot of future hunters. If the teacher is anti, then the project might include a letter to whomever, saying how troubled these children are. The parents get concerned. They form a lobby group. The lobbiests protest hunting. Hunters, in the meantime are online debating via electronic mail the best course of action against these people. In the meantime, these people are in parliment, presenting their case. Restrictions come into place. Limited seasons, stricter gun regs, and eventually a total ban. Again, the former hunters are online complaining about the great injustice that slipped up and bit them in their butts. Can't happen? Ontario's Spring bear season. Alberta's Grizzly season. Are the bear numbers at risk? Those of us who enter the backcountry will probably say no. So then who caused these actions to transpire? Lobbiests. Will this scenerio happen? Maybe. But I'm not willing to sit here, debate about who's right or wrong and allow my and my childrens heritage to be placed at risk. This is who I am. I respect these animals and yours and my rights as hunters. If you think you can make a clean shot from a helecopter, then your a better marksman than I ever hope to be. I'll just sit on the nice hard ground, brace my elbows and know I've got a good rest. I will do my best to deliver my shots as accuratly as I can, and do my best to recover any wounded game. I will continue to argue on behalf of hunters, and I will continue to pursue this matter.
 
Doesn't matter that for the helicopter , pilot and two shooters the taxpayers are going to cough up $1,500.00 per hour , every hour for just one team . The shooters will be professionals with badges who know everything about exterior and interior ballistics , marksmanship and firearms . These aren't run of the mill gunnutz , they have badges so every decision is the right one . They are presented with no moral or ethical dilemma blazing and wounding animals from an unstable platform because they are pro's , with badges and guns and if Greenpeace gets them on video gut shooting deer they can drop back to the tired old line of defense , i was only following orders .
 
m39a2 said:
Ever shot from a helecopter before? They are friggen rattle traps. No such thing as smoothe ride. They vibrate way too much to shoot from, except maybe a minimi door gun!

Scott
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Another use for the Semi auto in hunting. :D
 
Dont forget that the taxpayer picks up the tab but the tax spender doesnt care less, the Scottish cull although in theory an admirable use of powers was done without consulting the landowners and there are unproven tales though photos exist of deer driven to the rifles and piles of un gralloched carcasses. Not the ethical or justifiable use that could have been done. This case was mainly about deer grazing where no fencing exists and the lack of available stalking days and clients for the estate, balanced against the DCS desire to be seen to control deer numbers and be all powerful over the landowners. In Scotland where there is no law of trespass may stalking days are disturbed or ruined on the hill by organised led ramblers who are guided to herds of deer. They then complain when the human pressure forces the deer into ancient forest that cant be fenced as the fences kill the capercaillie. Guided paid Ramblers are doing the damage yet are complaining the loudest.
CAVE!
 
The whole problem with your arguments is that there is absolutely no evidence of wounded animals or lousy shooting from helicopters to back up any of your claims. You are making assumptions based on a personal bias with no basis in facts.
Come to think of it the arguments you fellas put forth are not only inflammatory and exaggerated but are exactly the kind of nonsense coming from the PETA and WWF camps...
If they could effectively "eradicate" the deer using hunters, methinks they would be all over it like a smart kid on a fatty.
 
Well, you said: The whole problem with your arguments is that there is absolutely no evidence of wounded animals or lousy shooting from helicopters to back up any of your claims. You are making assumptions based on a personal bias with no basis in facts.


My answer is simple, it's called common sense. Somthing that some people are obvously lacking.
 
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