Why would he have to? To safeguard against people shooting into a pasture and killing livestock? Do ranchers have signs out saying that their cattle are domestic and you should not shoot them?
I think I saw a wild boar/feral hog today
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Why would he have to? To safeguard against people shooting into a pasture and killing livestock? Do ranchers have signs out saying that their cattle are domestic and you should not shoot them?
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Then you are doing better than me. I think you've been at this longer than I have as well, but I've never seen anything that even made think of a pig/boar/hog while out in the field.
I'm not doubting your sighting, MNR has made it clear that wild boar have been sighted in the area. These are most likely escapee's from farms that raise them in our area. Personally I don't agree with this practice, there is a big difference in the behavior of domestic livestock and wild animals. My pigs have wandered on occasion over the years, after all to them the grass is always greener on the other side, but after a few hours they miss their herd mates and home and always return. All I'm saying to you hunters is make sure if you do see one it is actually a wild boar and if so by all means flatten it.
Remember alot of hunters rely on the generosity of us farmers for access to prime hunting land in this area and shooting farmer Joe's prize hog will probably have you paying at the very least for the animal or at worst having hunting privileges revoked. Even if the animal doesn't belong to the farmers whose land your hunting on we all know each other in the area and dragging out his neighbors livestock probably won't earn you any points. I'm aware that 99% of hunters are A1 stewards of the land and are the most responsible of people, I just thought it best to make hunters aware with all the wild boar hype that there are domestic hogs that look similar or could be mistaken for feral hogs.
Totally agree. To start with, no one has any business shooting anything on a farmer's land without that farmer's express permission. If I had a gun with me, I might have gone and asked the landowner for permission to go look for it, but I would never shoot any animal on land that is not mine. Now, if it were Crown land, it would be a different story. If it turned out to be someone's pet pig, it would be a case of too bad, so sad. But I'm 99.9% sure that this was not a domestic hog.
You cannot say that, you have no idea what they are farming.
There are true Wild Boar farms in Ontario and some in Eastern Ontario, they can be domestic.
The thing about pigs is that they reproduce so quickly and they revert back to their wild state faster than most domesticated livestock, it is something like 2 or 3 generations for them to be back to their wild state. They may not look like the Wild Boar that you think of but not all pigs came from that same stock.
im confused?
1) as long as he is asking the land owners permission what is the issue? If is a case of mistaken identity the farmer will say so and he will just get back in his vehicle and drive on.
2) if its crown land, yes he may be shooting your pigs that got free but in that case i don't think he is in the wrong
If they're true domesticated stock wild boar or no they must be tagged with a large yellow ear tag with your farm number or operation number and individual pig ID number embedded in the code in accordance with pig trace canada. Should be easy to identify even at a distance. We have been doing this for a number of years now although the pic I posted was before pigtrace came into effect. As far as pet pigs and crown land are concerned I have no idea so no comment.
Then that makes 2 of us that are confused. As you say, if it's the farmer's pigs, then he/she will tell me so (maybe quite sternly), and if they are on Crown land, then they are fair game. The MNRF has clearly instructed hunters to shoot on sight. All they ask is that they be notified of when, where, etc. Which brings up another question that maybe the MNRF should answer: what if it's a domestic pig on Crown Land? Should it be shot lest it return to feral state and breed if it isn't a lone escapee?
Interesting to know. I'm almost certain this thing did not have a tag. Do you know if the tag thing applies to anyone that owns a pig, or is it just commercial farmers?
I said that there is no way that he could tell by looking at them if they were a domestic pig or not, there are wild boar farms for meat in Eastern Ontario.
Tags are only currently required when the animal goes off the home farm, breeding animals on the home farm do not require an ear tag. All other animals are not tagged until they are headed out for slaughter or moved to another farm, it is a trace system, if they are on the original farm then they do not need to be tagged.
That being said, animals tear out their tags all the time, the cattle in the pasture behind us had huge rips in their ears from having the tag ripped out.
You have to tag the pig before it is moved from the home farm, most of the time they tag them just before being loaded on to the truck to go for slaughter as the tags can get ripped out.
Cattle, pigs, lambs all need to be tagged from the originating farm. We bought lambs weaned and they were tagged before they left the home farm, we do not tag them again when we bring them to slaughter.
https://www.inspection.gc.ca/animal.../traceability/eng/1300461751002/1300461804752
Anyone that sell's weaners or meat or pigs commercial or even a hobby farm must be in compliance with pig trace canada. This is all under CFIA canada. We have been inspected at the market and on our farm by OMAFRA to ensure compliance. I wouldn't call us a commercial operation. We did at one time sell at the farmers markets in Kemptville and North Gower. We mainly sold breeders and weaners and had a private clientele for meat sales.
You still do not have to tag them though until they are being moved from the farm they were born on, this an ear tag does not define domestic in this case.
As a rule we tagged between 6 and 8 weeks of age, about on par with others we know who do this type of thing. I never had them rip an ear tag out although it's definitely possible. The bigger they get the harder they can become to tag so for us like with castration earlier is always better.
Possibly not not required.
I was warned that lambs can be rough on ear tags. We also have goats but they do not require tags yet and we also self slaughter them so would not care at all about tags on these existing animals.
I was told that pigs were rough on tags but they also have pig ears so it would hide things.
I drive by this road pretty much every week. It is not a pig farm. Now it may be that it was a domestic pig they keep along with their horses. That is why I have repeatedly stressed and bolded the fact that I thought it was a boar/feral hog. Either way, there is no way I would shoot anything, legal game, predator, varmint or invasive species on private land without the express permission of the landowner. And if I have permission to shoot geese, for example, I would not shoot deer, turkeys, or anything else but what I was given permission for.
LOL, we probably know each other, I'm just a bit east of kemptville , have you ever seen the big red pigs in the field over on kennedy. Yes pigs ears are pretty tough they make good grab handles when needed in an emergency
ANd great chew toys for dogs - but I guess they are better when removed from the pig first?
