I wana chop down the barrel in my 858 4v any good gunsmiths in Van?
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OntarioShooter
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Doing that would make your VZ58 into a prohibited weapon, according to the RCMP/CFC.
This is why a company is making short barrels, because what you are proposing is illegal.
My understanding is that the rifle is already restricted, and thus you can shorten the barrel down to 106mm, only then does it become prohib. If he was doing this to a non-restricted 858, then it would make it prohib immediately. Correct me if I'm wrong.
OntarioShooter
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Phone the RCMP Firearms lab, they will confirm that doing what you are proposing will turn the firearm into a prohib weapon.
Because the firearm is already restricted has nothing to do with it. If a shotgun or rifle is chopped to a length shorter than 18", it becomes prohibited, regardless of the length it already was.
Because the firearm is already restricted has nothing to do with it. If a shotgun or rifle is chopped to a length shorter than 18", it becomes prohibited, regardless of the length it already was.
aftermidnight
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The legal language doesn't specifically say it's illegal but the inference is there. The RCMP has said it is. Businesses have been warned not to do it.
The barrel was manufactured that length.
You can chop a shotgun barrel or rifle barrel down to 18 1/2" (IIRC), any shorter and it's prohib. However you can install a barrel length that is shorter if it was originally manufactured short.
Gunner4life
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If you're looking for a gunsmith in Vancouver I suggest Italian Sporting Goods down by the PNE. They'll tell you for sure if you can cut down your barrel or not.
Also, you can have the AR with the 7.5inch because it came like that from the factory. If you're doing an aftermarket mod, then it gets sketchy with the law. Best to ask a gunsmith themselves.
Also, you can have the AR with the 7.5inch because it came like that from the factory. If you're doing an aftermarket mod, then it gets sketchy with the law. Best to ask a gunsmith themselves.
i belive for a barrel to be under 18.5" regardless of firearm status. it must come from the factory already short. you can get 7.5" ar barrells becuase that is how they are manufactured.
not to worry though if you really want a short barrell without breaking the law, i believe NEA is coming out with a 9" hbarrell for the 858
and before you say anything else try doing a search. this topic has been beaten to death many times before
not to worry though if you really want a short barrell without breaking the law, i believe NEA is coming out with a 9" hbarrell for the 858
and before you say anything else try doing a search. this topic has been beaten to death many times before
I am sure most of the poster unstand it is restricted. Trying to make logical sense of the firearms laws will not work in Canada. If you were to purchase a new barrel that was 8" long and had it installed your good to go. You can take any length of semi auto barrel and cut it down to 18.5" anything shorter than that and my understanding it would be prohibited.
One can purchase a restricted 7.5 AR because it was manufacted that way. It wasn't a longer barrel that was cut down by a smith.
HTH's
Just so you are aware this has been covered many times. This is what was told to me by the tech at the RCMP lab it does not matter if the gun has a 7.5 or a 6 foot barrel if you cut the barrel it is considered a prohibited device. For you to install a shorter barrel the barrel would have to be manufactured at that lenght.
This is correct. Underlying logic of RCMP is very simple - if there is an FRT entry for the firearm, then it's a legitimate firearm, because they know about it. If the firearm doesn't match anything in FRT (based on the fact that it's barrel is different then what's on record), then it's a home made conversion, and if the barrel length of the home made conversion is less then 18", then it's a prohibited firearm. This is done so that people would not saw-off their own firearms.
Your barrel needs to be manufactured at a short length in order for the conversion to be legitimate so if you want a short barrel, you need to send your barrel to a manufacturer, such as Dlask, to get the barrel re-manufactured. Paperwork (purchase order for a barrel) from a manufacturer is the document you need to present CFC (fax to the gun lab in Ottawa), so that a new FRT# would be created for your new short barrel rifle. In fact, hold on to the PO for the barrel in any event - some times RCMP would allow a status of the firearm to be changed, and then would want to follow up and check if the barrel is in fact not shortened by the user, and the PO is what protects you in such case.
Best thing to do is call up CFC, ask for extension 1090 (Ottawa gun lab), and talk to the folks there. If there are any doubts, ask them where you need to send your question in writing, and send it in writing. If they state something in writing in their reply, and then, when you comply with their nstructions to the letter, they decide that you broke the law, a prior letter from RCMP will be useful to cover your actions.
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That doesn't make a damn difference!
You cannot chop a barrel to a length under 18.5 inches. Full stop!
So to answer the original question:
You don't want to do this yourself for legal reasons, and gunsmith that doesn't have manufacturing license will refuse to do it for legal reasons as well.
Thus you need to get in touch with someone who has manufacturing license, document what modifications you want on the barrel, and agree with the manufacturer what barrel you want manufacturer to manufacture for you. At this point you will know if the manufacturer wants your existing barrel as one of the consumables for the re-manufacturing, or if they can make you a new barrel from scratch.
Once you have tentative agreement with the manufacturer (always make agreements with the "provided that RCMP/CFC deems the part legal" or similar clause), call up CFC, and ask to talk to the gun technician. You will be transferred to the gun lab in Ottawa (extension 1090). Explain to the person who picks up what you want to do, and confirm that the barrel manufactured by the manufacturer that you made an agreement with will be legal. If you really want to cover your bases, ask for a written statement.
Once you know what RCMP/CFC wants, and as long as what they want, what you want and what the manufacturer can do all align, call the manufacturer back, and go ahead with the process (ship him the barrel if necessary).
Eventually you will receive back a new barrel, hopefully to your spec, and some paperwork.
With paperwork you got in hand, call up CFC, and once again ask to talk to the gun lab. Explain to them the situation, and offer to fax them the paperwork from the manufacturer. Once they get your paperwork, they will create a new FRT# for your firearm, and amend your registration. You will potentially get a new registration certificate for the firearm.
Do not install the barrel before calling CFC, though. This is in case something goes wrong and your new barrel gets ruled to be a prohibited part - while the barrel is not installed, you don't have a prohibited firearm, so alot less legal trouble.
Yeah, if RCMP challenges "newly manufactured"-ness of your new barrel, you'd have a receiver only CZ-858, but think about this way: A competent lawyer charges about $200/hr (cheap lawyer). Your CZ-858 costs $750 new. Do you think that 4 hours of work by the lawyer will be enough to get RCMP off your case? So don't install the barrel until you get all clear from CFC. In fact, you'd likely need to take the barrel to a gunsmith, who will be able to verify to the CFC the length, etc of the new barrel.
I'd suspect that you can start by e-mailing or calling Dlask, North Eastern Arms and Rauch Tactical, and see if these fine manufacturers will be able to do what you want.
