i want a 200yd 1MOA rifle for $500 to $800

[little_airwolf]

Totally, I have a $430 BTVS and $1000 sightron scope and rings, crazy for just shooting gophers and targets with bulk ammo.
However I'm able to hit gophers at greater distances because of the glass. pop cans @200 when sighted in is possible, if the wind is low.

 

[burnt_servo]

so why all the hate on eagleeye ?

before he posted many people where saying moa at 200 yards couldn't be done .

not only did he share his experience ( he didn't have too ) , he also shared his recipe to get well below moa , and THEN showed actual proof .


some people need to shut their mouths and instead of being critical of him , they need to say thank you . for you just learned something you didn't know , before you read this thread .


there aren't alot of people experienced like him who post here anymore .... at the rate things are going all that is going to be left here are a bunch of know it alls with no practical experince , bumping chests against each other .

 

[hoytcanon]

Eagle Eye is clearly an experienced shooter and many have benefited from his experience. I think that folks on this thread took exception to the fact that the results he posted were accomplished with equipment that did not fit the OP's parameters... I think this is all just misunderstanding, as the way I read it was that Eagle Eye was not speaking to the OP in his original post, but to the nay-sayers of the "MOA @ 200 yard" concept... And he did indeed show that it can be done with "specialized" equipment... It can also be done with modest equipment... Just not nearly as consistently.

 

[22forever]

This X2

so why all the hate on eagleeye ?

before he posted many people where saying moa at 200 yards couldn't be done .

not only did he share his experience ( he didn't have too ) , he also shared his recipe to get well below moa , and THEN showed actual proof .




some people need to shut their mouths and instead of being critical of him , they need to say thank you . for you just learned something you didn't know , before you read this thread .


there aren't alot of people experienced like him who post here anymore .... at the rate things are going all that is going to be left here are a bunch of know it alls with no practical experince , bumping chests against each other .

 

[bobtodrick]

so why all the hate on eagleeye ?

before he posted many people where saying moa at 200 yards couldn't be done .

not only did he share his experience ( he didn't have too ) , he also shared his recipe to get well below moa , and THEN showed actual proof .


some people need to shut their mouths and instead of being critical of him , they need to say thank you . for you just learned something you didn't know , before you read this thread .


there aren't alot of people experienced like him who post here anymore .... at the rate things are going all that is going to be left here are a bunch of know it alls with no practical experince , bumping chests against each other .

I don't think anyone 'hates' eagleeye...they are taking exception to the fact that if he hadn't been called out it would have been another 'I shoot 1/2" moa all day long'...coupled with the OP orginal post...misrepresenting what is possible with the 'lowly' .22LR.
There are a lot of newcomers to the sport here...giving them the impression that what eagleeye does (which is very impressive no matter how expensive the gear) is easy will help guarantee that they will soon become frustrated and take up fishing.
It's one of the pet peeves I have with the internet. I'd love to sit down with eagleeye and pick his brain...or watch him shoot...I'm sure either would be instructive.
But often people will (with the best of intentions) only tell half the story when they post...they tell what they see are the essentials of what they want to say. But without some of the background it comes across as either empty boasts...or with only half the story the guy just starting out goes away wondering what he's doing wrong or why someone sold him the dud gun he has.
I guess it's because part of my profession is translating information to other via the 'net....and I know all too well that taking that 2 minutes extra to tell the whole story means this thread would have been over a couple of pages ago and eagleeye still would have gotten his point across.

 

[BP7]

i HATE fishing. i mean i flat out ABHOR it. it's so dreadfully boring and i don't enjoy the smell of caught fish. i like eating fish, though, like catfish or salmon, but don't want to actually catch any or smell them as they come out of the water.

and yeah, i'm very much a newbie when it comes to 22LR rifle shooting. the vast majority of what i shoot is handguns or the slug gun. so yeah, when i saw those sub-MOA groups i was VERY impressed, and thought "ok, so it's kinda within reach, maybe only a few hundred past the $800 limit, like $1200 or so".

nope! $3500 is WAY more than what i'd be willing to spend for this type of entertainment and challenge! i want the challenge to be in the shooting, not in paying off the VISA balance.....

 

[hoytcanon]

So buy a low end Hunting Anschutz or even CZ 453 Varmint and see what you can do... Maybe a trigger job and spend time testing some good ammo.

 

[Freyr_255]

I gotta laugh, when a guy shooting a Savage sneers at a guy shooting a Ruger.

When the guy shooting the savage out of the box is easily getting under 1MOA @100m I don't see where the problem is. Try getting any ruger to shoot that well and let me know if it comes in cheaper than a Cooper when it succeeds because it sure as heck won't be the same price as a savage.

 

[bobtodrick]

I actually have my own personal story.
My history was with competition 10m air rifles...which will put 5 pellets through the same hole at 10m.
So a year ago when I took up rimfire shooting I purchased the Savage .22WMR because I wanted a bit more knockdown power...coyotes and such.
Well I was quickly disappointed because I was reading all these posts of people producing sub 1moa with their WMR.
Best I and my Savage (with the cheap Bushnell scope it came with) could do, consistenly was 1.5-2moa.
I was ready to pack it in and go to a .223 , because everything I was reading was that CF were more accurate than rimfires.
Then I found a website that was very helpful (the rimfire section of Snipers Hide) that had a lot of military/professionals who used their .22's as trainers.
Well...a year later, a bedding and pillar job done, a decent scope (3x the price of the gun), a Harris bi-pod (cheap bi-pods are no ones friend) and a proper rear bag and my gun is shooting 1moa...consisently.
But it took spending well over a $1000 on my $300 rifle to do it.
But it took a lot of research, and reading (and ignoring) far too many posts telling me that a blind 10 year old with a $100 used Marlin can easily shoot sub 1moa groups...'all the live long day' ( a quote from this very forum).
So to all new shooters...the .22 is capable of amazing accuracy..but it takes work and cash.
End of all my rants on the subject ;-)

 

[jgraves]

Let's try with your Savage, my SR-22 (mostly Kidd) and CM-2 in about a month and report back here. Assuming a very calm day, my prediction is your Savage will be close to my SR-22 at around 3" and my CM-2 will be very close to your 2" goal.

Ammo makes a huge difference as distance increases. The CM-2 loved Dynapoints and Rem Subsonics at 20 - 25 yards (around 0.75 MOA average) but only the higher quality ammo can maintain that to 100. At $0.25 / shot for mid-level match ammo, both my 22's shoot groups half the size of my .223 with a $0.50 / shot ammo budget (AE AR223 and Win White Box, purchased mostly for the brass).

 

[hoytcanon]

When the guy shooting the savage out of the box is easily getting under 1MOA @100m I don't see where the problem is. Try getting any ruger to shoot that well and let me know if it comes in cheaper than a Cooper when it succeeds because it sure as heck won't be the same price as a savage.

Brother, I have news for you... I have had literally dozens of both, and I can make the Ruger shoot as accurately as the Savage with nothing more than a Dr.Scholl's pad or some hockey tape! Ruger's don't NEED $1000 of aftermarket gear, it's just that all the shiny thing-a-ma-jiggy's suck you in. Mine are currently 10/22 platform guns, they don't have a single Ruger part in them... But that was my choice... I have made many, many stock ruger's shoot extremely well with nothing more than a properly placed and tensioned pressure pad and the right ammo... Total cost = $0.25. My Savage's don't look like factory guns either... That again is a personal choice not a necessity. Ruger's get a bum rap, because they can be finicky to tune... 99 times out of a hundred, this is due to the sloppy receiver/barrel relationship to the stock... Get rid of the barrel band, tension the barrel at the proper harmonic location (test to tune) and feed it a proper diet and they shoot just fine. I have proved that dozens of times for shooting friends. I am absolutely not saying they will compete with a bedded Anschutz or Suhl, but against the stock Savage (remember I have a pile of Savage rimfires), they can hold their own.

 

[Eagleye]

Eagle Eye is clearly an experienced shooter and many have benefited from his experience. I think that folks on this thread took exception to the fact that the results he posted were accomplished with equipment that did not fit the OP's parameters... I think this is all just misunderstanding, as the way I read it was that Eagle Eye was not speaking to the OP in his original post, but to the nay-sayers of the "MOA @ 200 yard" concept...[/B] And he did indeed show that it can be done with "specialized" equipment... It can also be done with modest equipment... Just not nearly as consistently.

Thank You to those who defended my stance. You understand clearly what I was saying.

Be aware, I have thick skin, and am not ready to leave quite yet, lol.

The bolded, underlined parts are what is the truth here. [hoytcanon has it exactly]
The posts were not intended to discourage anyone...just to show that it is entirely possible to shoot <moa @ 200m

While I am not suggesting you need to spend a fortune to shoot sub-moa at 200M, it will take some $$$ investment.[Plus Time..shoot, shoot and shoot some more]

Anyone who thinks that such performance can be achieved with value-priced ammo should give their head a shake.
By buying carefully, it is conceivable that the OP's goal might be reached.

I have a $500.00 CZ 452 with good optics that I have shot a large number of groups with. At 50M it is amazing for the $$ spent.
But out at 200M, it has yet to favor me with a sub-moa group....a couple very close, though.

I have a 541S and a 541T Remington. Both wear 6.5-20 EFR Leupolds. They have occasionally shot such groups at 200M, but again, not as consistently as the "big" guns.

I will repeat myself once more.....shoot and shoot and shoot, practice is paramount. Then a good rifle and very good optics, using quality ammo will deliver.

Regards, Eagleye

 

[RickR1100]

Brother, I have news for you... I have had literally dozens of both, and I can make the Ruger shoot as accurately as the Savage with nothing more than a Dr.Scholl's pad or some hockey tape! Ruger's don't NEED $1000 of aftermarket gear, it's just that all the shiny thing-a-ma-jiggy's suck you in. Mine are currently 10/22 platform guns, they don't have a single Ruger part in them... But that was my choice... I have made many, many stock ruger's shoot extremely well with nothing more than a properly placed and tensioned pressure pad and the right ammo... Total cost = $0.25. My Savage's don't look like factory guns either... That again is a personal choice not a necessity. Ruger's get a bum rap, because they can be finicky to tune... 99 times out of a hundred, this is due to the sloppy receiver/barrel relationship to the stock... Get rid of the barrel band, tension the barrel at the proper harmonic location (test to tune) and feed it a proper diet and they shoot just fine. I have proved that dozens of times for shooting friends. I am absolutely not saying they will compete with a bedded Anschutz or Suhl, but against the stock Savage (remember I have a pile of Savage rimfires), they can hold their own.

Interesting.

I seem to recall that one 10/22 shooter suggested using a torque wrench to accurately tension the barrel mounting screws equally and consistently, and that this enabled better accuracy, but also prevented a total loss of zero when reasembling.

I have to admit I was very curious about that barrel band on the Rugers...just didn't seem like it would help anything.

 

[bobtodrick]

Thanks for that last post Eagleeye.
If I'd seen more posts like that when I started rimfire last year I would have had much more realistic expectations (and less frustration) than I had last summer.
This year I'm thoroughly enjoying my Savage...even moved out to the 200 yd marker a couple of weeks ago. The wind was gusting to 20 mph so the groups were not what I would call 'tight', but were in all in a 4 or 5" circle.
Definitely has me interested.

 

[dizzy]

x2. And eagleyes first post made it sound easy-peasy (the comment about all the naysayer on this thread)
The OP asked if it could be done with $500-$800 rifle.
Eagleye...I challenge you to beg/borrow/buy an off the shelf CZ and replicate what you say is so easy.

FWIW, you can drop a match BR barrel in a CZ 452 action, a $15 yodave trigger kit and have a shooter that will hit sub moa at 200 yards. This will run within the op's budget. No sense getting your knickers in a knot, over the cost of some guys rig. In fact I have a CZ scout, that might just do the trick, in the hands of eagleye. Sure its tricked out a little, but still way under op's budget.

 

[Home3]

Are you saying this from experience or you "think" it should do it?

 

[duncansuds]

I think I will try this, maybe if conditions are right it will be possible. This is from a Savage TRR, 50 yards. This photo is not 100 percent typical, but I have had some close reults to show that it is plausible, this was a perfect day, no wind at all, 15 c out and sun behind. It was exceptional. I have had a few groups under .9 with this rifle, but find it very difficult to repeat. I would like to see if it is at all possible to achieve this, if nothing else, see what its really capable of. I really dont think it will happen, but to get close would be great.
http://mob1279.photobucket.com/albums/y534/Duncansuds/image_zps05505915.jpg

 

[Hurst]

MOA = 1" at 100 yards, 2" at 200 yards 3" at 300 yards etc. this is an angular measurement taken from the shooter. If they held a lazer one moa (1/60 of a degree) high from the target the lazer would increase in distance from the target the further the target was positioned away. At 25 yards it would be 1/4" high etc.