I want this MILSURP!
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Are they even doing those refits anymore?
I thought the M113 T-LAV's were being phased out by the LAV III, which in turn was being augmented by an upgrade of its own and some other kind of armoured scout car? With some tracked IFV's possibly being thrown in as well.
Are we still looking at the CV-90?
Upgrades and mods are still being done. There are quite a few variants of the TLAV being done up in Quebec right now and and in future.
I know a few people's lawns who I would love to do doughnuts on with one 
Some assorted TLAV specs for those interested: http://www.casr.ca/101-army-armour-tlav-m113a3.htm
Some assorted TLAV specs for those interested: http://www.casr.ca/101-army-armour-tlav-m113a3.htm
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- shilo MB, the armpit of Canada
From the numbers I had, of slightly less than 1000 M113s, only around 300 were being upgraded to TLAV. Many were being extended in length, some were not.
A number of them ended up in Afghanistan with the rubber track. The new upgrades made it a pretty good vehicle.
As for disposal, they cannot be sold to the public: US ITAR restrictions will make sure of that. There were attempts to sell them, and their spare parts, on the world market, but nobody is really lining up to buy old APCs these days. And those that do, will not get approval from the US, who control the disposal of these. Even the MLVWs are now being scrapped rather than sold off.
If these are going to BC, it may be possible they are going to a museum.....it's kind of a long way to transport them if they are just going to be cut up. I heard they will not use them as hard targets anymore either due to environmental concerns.
A number of them ended up in Afghanistan with the rubber track. The new upgrades made it a pretty good vehicle.
As for disposal, they cannot be sold to the public: US ITAR restrictions will make sure of that. There were attempts to sell them, and their spare parts, on the world market, but nobody is really lining up to buy old APCs these days. And those that do, will not get approval from the US, who control the disposal of these. Even the MLVWs are now being scrapped rather than sold off.
If these are going to BC, it may be possible they are going to a museum.....it's kind of a long way to transport them if they are just going to be cut up. I heard they will not use them as hard targets anymore either due to environmental concerns.
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- WMU248 near Edmonton
thats correct. no more old vehicle hulls for targets. they are a problem to clean up and quickly become a big UXO hazard.
No. Currently there are roughly 500 of these that the Canadian Gov has given a contract to a US distributor to sell (in various states from complete to parts). I have harassed so many MPs that im sure to be on CSIS by now . Van Loan is my neighbour and i started with him, then Mackay contacted me to explain why armored surplus is no longer sold to individuals, only donated to legions,parks, museums etc
. Van Loan is my neighbour and i started with him, then Mackay contacted me to explain why armored surplus is no longer sold to individuals, only donated to legions,parks, museums etc
haha and what did ole' pistol pete have to say?
Yes, I can attest that they work very well for this.
In Jan 1972 we (1PPCLI) were on winter exercise in the Ghost River Wilderness in the Alberta foothills when I had an irate Conservation Officer buzz up to my CP vehicle on his ski-doo. He came in to see me claiming that some of our troops had illegally shot a moose and that he wanted something done about it. I replied that we sure weren't there to do that, and asked how he knew that it was a military person who had done the evil deed. He replied that there was one set of M113 tracks leading to and from the kill site and figured that we were the only people out there driving these at the time.
I assurred him that we would spare no effort to get to the bottom of this and that the miscreants would be duly found and punished. We never found out who the guilty ones were, but I had a hunch. The truth didn't come out until over 20 years later when I was deer hunting with one of the perps (a happy civvy by then) and he finally fessed up.
In Jan 1972 we (1PPCLI) were on winter exercise in the Ghost River Wilderness in the Alberta foothills when I had an irate Conservation Officer buzz up to my CP vehicle on his ski-doo. He came in to see me claiming that some of our troops had illegally shot a moose and that he wanted something done about it. I replied that we sure weren't there to do that, and asked how he knew that it was a military person who had done the evil deed. He replied that there was one set of M113 tracks leading to and from the kill site
and figured that we were the only people out there driving these at the time.I assurred him that we would spare no effort to get to the bottom of this and that the miscreants would be duly found and punished.
We never found out who the guilty ones were, but I had a hunch. The truth didn't come out until over 20 years later when I was deer hunting with one of the perps (a happy civvy by then) and he finally fessed up.
