I want to upgrade, options?

Nic3500

Nic3500

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Greetings, I got an M&P 9 Pro this summer, shot it a lot. I like the trigger. Sights not so much (not adjustable and I consistently shoot right). I am disappointed with the accuracy. I got a couple people at the range to try it, same results so it is not entirely my fault. And when I try other pistols, I tend to do better. I think it is the grip that does not do it for me.

When I first got into rifles I did the same "mistake". I got a Rem. 700, it was ok but... Then I got a TRG-22, now you are talking!

So I am looking for opinions on what to look for my next pistol. And I want the TRG-22 options, I want to stop fracking around and get a "real" one this time.

What I have decided so far:
- max. 2500$. I do not have to spend that much, but that is the max.
- I prefer 9mm, less $ to shoot, less recoil.
- I have short fingers so I avoid large handle pistols.
- Lefty so ambidextrous safety and mag release required.
- metal frame. So no Glocks, my M&P already covers that market.
- a 9mm 1911 would be great. I shot MANY models, 1911 tend to agree with me more..
- obtainable in Canada before next summer.
- like everything I own, I prefer to pay more if it guarantees that I will NOT have to return it, get it serviced, ... Reliability is no.1 Accuracy is no.2.
- function before look.
- I do not shoot IPSC, IDPA, ... So do not worry about rules. Compensators, magwells, anything is a go!.
- no optic, regular sights.
- not for defense, not for combat, no dirt, will be kept clean and lubricated. I want a performance race car type pistol.
- no Beretta, had one, do not anymore.
- I prefer longer barrels.
- I am not a gunsmith so I am looking for something that I will not have to work on it and install endless upgrades.

Some things I have read so far, feel free to comment or add to it:
- Sig 1911 seem nice but customer service is poor.
- Sig QC has gone down in recent years, not what they used to be.
- STI, plastic frame on some models.
- there is a huge CZ following in Montreal, are they that good?

So any comments, opinions, options, please let me know!

Have great holidays, Nic
 
I would suggest one of the higher end STI 1911 models. Very nice pistols and should be reliable out of the box. Just make sure you buy good mags for it, like Wilson, Tripp Research or similar.
 
Every pistol can jam.
Every maker may sell You a gun with some issues.
Internet unfortunately is full of people who will just repeat what they heard on the internet, so better check the things yourself instead of trusting these opinions.
One more thing - I'm from the internet as well :yingyang:
Now, if you'll decide to go with CZ it may give you a problem in DA mode.
Long trigger reach for the folks with the short fingers.
However it's my favorite platform for 9mm - especially CZ85 Combat.
It's a race gun model that still looks like a regular gun - no firing pin safety (smoother trigger pull), extended magazine release button, decent sights that are adjustable,
drop free magazine and ambidextrous controls.
Good luck!
 
Hmmm, STI Rangemaster, Les Baer pretty much any of his 9mm guns (might be over the price range), Dlask Pro/Pro Plus (added feature, made in Canada) - the Sig X guns are terrific, but the grips are large, S&W 1911 9mm Pro Series. It's a start - obviously for accurate, easy to shoot pistols with small grips, the 1911 is the place to look. You could also have a 'smith do a full build in that price range, starting either with a complete pistol or a frame kit - then you get exactly the pistol you want.
 
OP, I was where you were a few years back. I've owned pistols in every major brand and shot most every modern type known, searching for the right pistol for me. I owned two Glocks and sold them because I didn't think they were accurate enough. I also let my range buddies shoot them and they couldn't shoot them worth shat either! So it was the Glock, not me! What a fool I was...

It wasn't until I admitted to myself that I didn't know how to shoot that I improved. So I worked at it. I took some courses and changed the way that I structure my range sessions and measured my performance. I improved a lot and I continue to work at it. Now I'm back to Glocks and will remain there.

You can get any high dollar pistol that you want, but it's not going to make you a better shooter. Also, you need to recognize that many high dollar pistols are not going to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P (FACT). If I were you (and I'm not, so take this for what it's worth), I would take your $2500 and use it for course fees, flights and ammo, and learn how to rock that M&P. You'll feel better about your shooting, I guarantee it.

The first step is admitting that you have a problem.:D
 
Call Freedom Ventures Ask for an STI Lawman in 9mm and get the STI Magwell and Dawson Presicion Fiber Optic Front Sight, I believe they can put an ambi saftey on it for you. Order some 9mm mags from Tripp research and you are good to go. I have a STI Legacy in 9mm which is basically the same gun in the setup above and it is flawless. The Sentry would be another option if you like that look better.
 
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Got myself a CZ 75B not too long ago and couldn't be happier. Pretty accurate and very minimal recoil. I consider my hands to be a bit below average size and have no problems operating the gun, specially the trigger. I do find that I have to reach a bit to operate the slide lock, but other than that the best gun you can get under $700 in my opinion.
 
Clobbersauras said:
OP, I was where you were a few years back. I've owned pistols in every major brand and shot most every modern type known, searching for the right pistol for me. I owned two Glocks and sold them because I didn't think they were accurate enough. I also let my range buddies shoot them and they couldn't shoot them worth shat either! So it was the Glock, not me! What a fool I was...

It wasn't until I admitted to myself that I didn't know how to shoot that I improved. So I worked at it. I took some courses and changed the way that I structure my range sessions and measured my performance. I improved a lot and I continue to work at it. Now I'm back to Glocks and will remain there.

You can get any high dollar pistol that you want, but it's not going to make you a better shooter. Also, you need to recognize that many high dollar pistols are not going to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P (FACT). If I were you (and I'm not, so take this for what it's worth), I would take your $2500 and use it for course fees, flights and ammo, and learn how to rock that M&P. You'll feel better about your shooting, I guarantee it.

The first step is admitting that you have a problem.:D
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I change my vote to this ^^^. Great idea.
 
STI Target Master is under $1800....meets your requirements.
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Clobbersauras said:
OP, I was where you were a few years back. I've owned pistols in every major brand and shot most every modern type known, searching for the right pistol for me. I owned two Glocks and sold them because I didn't think they were accurate enough. I also let my range buddies shoot them and they couldn't shoot them worth shat either! So it was the Glock, not me! What a fool I was...

It wasn't until I admitted to myself that I didn't know how to shoot that I improved. So I worked at it. I took some courses and changed the way that I structure my range sessions and measured my performance. I improved a lot and I continue to work at it. Now I'm back to Glocks and will remain there.

You can get any high dollar pistol that you want, but it's not going to make you a better shooter. Also, you need to recognize that many high dollar pistols are not going to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P (FACT). If I were you (and I'm not, so take this for what it's worth), I would take your $2500 and use it for course fees, flights and ammo, and learn how to rock that M&P. You'll feel better about your shooting, I guarantee it.

The first step is admitting that you have a problem.:D
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Agreed 110%! Myself I own several restricted pistols. And good shooting buddy has many prohib's and restricted handguns.
As of now it's very hard to say which semi-auto is the best shooting (two handed hold at 25 yards) currently. His 9mm M&P Pro' or his S&W Model 52 with target load full wadcutters.
It's almost a draw IMHO.

Edit: Maybe the OP should try different ammo or get that barrel checked out?
 
Clobbersauras said:
OP, I was where you were a few years back. I've owned pistols in every major brand and shot most every modern type known, searching for the right pistol for me. I owned two Glocks and sold them because I didn't think they were accurate enough. I also let my range buddies shoot them and they couldn't shoot them worth shat either! So it was the Glock, not me! What a fool I was...

It wasn't until I admitted to myself that I didn't know how to shoot that I improved. So I worked at it. I took some courses and changed the way that I structure my range sessions and measured my performance. I improved a lot and I continue to work at it. Now I'm back to Glocks and will remain there.

You can get any high dollar pistol that you want, but it's not going to make you a better shooter. Also, you need to recognize that many high dollar pistols are not going to be as reliable as a Glock or M&P (FACT). If I were you (and I'm not, so take this for what it's worth), I would take your $2500 and use it for course fees, flights and ammo, and learn how to rock that M&P. You'll feel better about your shooting, I guarantee it.

The first step is admitting that you have a problem.:D
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Thanks for that opinion, it got me thinking. For the rifle, I fired the Rem700 until I was a rather good shot, then I got the TRG-22. Maybe I have to re-evaluate what "a good shot" in the pistol world is...
But I still shoot better with my friends 1911. And being the "precision guy" of my group of friends, it's hard on the ego :redface:
 
^^Yeah it is hard on the ego. I have shot for over twenty years. I competed in small and large bore competitions. I thought I knew how to pull a trigger. But I didn't. Not when it came to shooting pistols. Trigger press with pistols is vitally important. You can't stage it like you can with a rifle. You have to have a smooth and consistent press through the entire length of the pull, while having a good sight picture, grip and stance. It's much harder to shoot a pistol well than it is to shoot a rifle. It takes more work and the skills die if you don't consistently practice them.

P.S. A few years ago I could shoot a 1911 better than I could a Glock, but they just weren't as reliable. I haven't shot a 1911 in a long time now, but I shoot my Glock better today than I could shoot anything, including the 1911, back in those days.
 
Nic3500 said:
Thanks for that opinion, it got me thinking. For the rifle, I fired the Rem700 until I was a rather good shot, then I got the TRG-22. Maybe I have to re-evaluate what "a good shot" in the pistol world is...
But I still shoot better with my friends 1911. And being the "precision guy" of my group of friends, it's hard on the ego :redface:
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A good shot with a combat pistol can shoot about 4 inches unsupported 10 round groups at 25 yards. I own A tanfoglio stock 2, a glock 17 and an FMK all in 9mm. I can not tell the difference in practical accuracy between any of them.

Unless you need a reason to spend some money, spend some time dryfiring your pistol. Like a thousand or so perfect dryfire maintaining perfect sight alignment. I think you will probably notice that you are milking your grip on the gun as you engage the trigger.

If you are maintaing perfect sight picture will the trigger is actuated and it still impacting right then drift your sight. Also different ammo will group at different points on the target.

Dryfire is cheap and effective in learning perfect trigger control and sight picture. It is more effective the livefire for learninig these skills.
 
Once you develop familiarity with the M&P's trigger you will find that the gun is actually very accurate, I've started cutting 3x5 cards in half for targets under 15 yards, and still use 3x5's out to 25. Start close, and work your way back.
 
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