IBM and the Holocaust

Claven2 said:
IMHO, that is mostly misrepresentation and BS.

I sincerely doubt IBM was informed that census machines were being used specifically to identify jewish people for exterminaton and then willingly proceeded along as profits rolled in.

If North Korea uses PCs to hack western systems and wage cyber-war, is Bill gates complicit because the machines ran on Wndows? Hardly.
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That is a pretty naive position to take and I'm being polite.

The use of IBM punch card technology to catalog Jews in Nazi Germany is well-known. This is not new news.

The IBM punch card and card sorting system-a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before-the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ibm-and-quot-death-s-calculator-quot-2
 
Ford, Opel, Bayer were in Germany too during WW2.

Ford/Opel was making trucks for the Wehrmacht in Germany.
Henry Ford told the US Congress that if any of his Germany Factories got bombed
that he would stop making vehicles for the US Forces.

SteelCap said:
Just follow the money they say....
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Just finished The Arms Of Krupp, very interesting. According to this book, some allied munitions companies paid Krupp a royalty for fuses used in their canon shells in WW1. The Kaiser was not at all impressed with evidence recovered from dud shells that had Krupp markings on the fuses. Another interesting book is : Is Paris Burning. I read somewhere that Ford sued the US gov't for bomb damage to some of his European factories and was paid out. Also, there were several US businessmen that were presented with medals from Hitler for their help, prior to the US entering the conflict. Most of them returned their medals when USA entered the war, but I don't believe Ford did ( can't recall, maybe he returned his late in the war ). I think it was Dupont which gave Germany formulas for synthetic oil, but would not give it to the allies.
 
Another great book; The Fourth Reich. Also corroborates IBMs complicity in the Holocaust, among many other well known corporations.
 
The involvement of US companies in Nazi Germany is well documented. Roosevelt actually threatened to hang US executives who were stonewalling on the use of patents that had been parked in US companies custody before the US entered the war by I.G. Farben. This included a direct, personal threat the head of Firestone who had the I.G. Farben patent for synthetic rubber substitute Buna. Standard Oil was sailing tankers out of US ports to Tenerife to refuel Nazi U-boats even after the US entered the war. Then there's the issue of tetraethyl lead, Standard shipped 500 tons the fuel additive to Germany in 1938 from UK docks - the additive was used to fuel the early stages of the Blitz, ironically bombing those same docks. Also, GM shipped Opel Blitz trucks in TKD (Totally Knocked Down, ie kit form) form, to Germany in 1938 because Opel didn't have the required capacity and without which Germany couldn't have invaded Poland. Ford built aircraft engines for Heinkel in Germany, and received payment from the US government after the war because the factory was bombed when the primary target for a raid was obscured, and the lead ship decided to ditch it's load onto what appeared to be a viable target. So, yeah US business did a lot of business with Nazi Germany, much of which cost lives - business generally is morally challenged, the more difficult the times, the bigger the challenge.
 
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Rugdoc said:
That is a pretty naive position to take and I'm being polite.

The use of IBM punch card technology to catalog Jews in Nazi Germany is well-known. This is not new news.

The IBM punch card and card sorting system-a precursor to the computer. IBM, primarily through its German subsidiary, made Hitler's program of Jewish destruction a technologic mission the company pursued with chilling success. IBM Germany, using its own staff and equipment, designed, executed, and supplied the indispensable technologic assistance Hitler's Third Reich needed to accomplish what had never been done before-the automation of human destruction. More than 2,000 such multi-machine sets were dispatched throughout Germany, and thousands more throughout German-dominated Europe. Card sorting operations were established in every major concentration camp. People were moved from place to place, systematically worked to death, and their remains cataloged with icy automation.

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/ibm-and-quot-death-s-calculator-quot-2
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Like I said, I have no doubt IBM machines were used, I just don;t believe IBM sold them to the nazis for the purpose of cataloguing jews in death camps - they were sold for a CENSUS. Which lots of countries did without using murder ovens.
 
Juster said:
Thanks for pointing that out. The folk at Los Alamos were assuming Germany was the target until it wasn't. Hence the long list of Jewish names at Los Alamos.
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Germany was the priority in Allied war preparations and strategy from the beginning of America's involvement in WW II because Germany rather than Japan posed the greater threat to the Allies, especially Russia, which appeared on the brink of defeat in late 1941. Roosevelt and Churchill agreed that Germany was the strategic priority.

The implication that Jewish physicists and mathematicians were either chosen or volunteered for Los Alamos-related work out of a sense of vengeance for the crimes against European Jews is nonsense. They were involved because they were predominant among the best scientists and mathematicians available. Even in Germany, where much less attention was given nuclear research, Hitler viewed nuclear physics as a "Jewish science" and so was not taken with the idea of promoting nuclear research over other research, such as rocket technology.
 
tokguy said:
As I sit back; and enjoy reading this post, whilst sipping on this tasty Orange Flavoured Carbonised drink called 'Fanta'
No more hints!
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Developed in wartime Germany by Coca-Cola Deutschland when coca cola ingredients became impossible to get. The sugar came from beet sugar and the drink was often used as a sweetener.
 
grauhanen said:
Developed in wartime Germany by Coca-Cola Deutschland when coca cola ingredients became impossible to get. The sugar came from beet sugar and the drink was often used as a sweetener.
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Drink one while you're driving down the road in your Volkswagen. :redface: That company is the ultimate Nazi era success story.

Grizz
 
Henry Ford loved him some nazi.
So much so he was awarded the highest civil award possible from the party.
Hugo Boss... designer/supplier of all those snazzy nazi uniforms
 
In 1918, Henry Ford purchased his hometown newspaper, The Dearborn Independent. A year and a half later, he began publishing a series of articles that claimed a vast Jewish conspiracy was infecting America. The series ran in the following 91 issues. Ford bound the articles into four volumes titled "The International Jew," and distributed half a million copies to his vast network of dealerships and subscribers. The rhetoric was not unusual for its content, as much as its scope. As one of the most famous men in America, Henry Ford legitimized ideas that otherwise may have been given little authority.
 
Rugdoc said:
In 1918, Henry Ford purchased his hometown newspaper, The Dearborn Independent. A year and a half later, he began publishing a series of articles that claimed a vast Jewish conspiracy was infecting America. The series ran in the following 91 issues. Ford bound the articles into four volumes titled "The International Jew," and distributed half a million copies to his vast network of dealerships and subscribers. The rhetoric was not unusual for its content, as much as its scope. As one of the most famous men in America, Henry Ford legitimized ideas that otherwise may have been given little authority.
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Henry Ford was only one prominent anti-Semite in the United States. Anti-Semitism held plenty of sway in not only the United States but also in Canada. Both countries had a very regrettable stance on the St. Louis, for example, and this was emblematic of common views at that time. For more details, see for example Irving Abella and Harold Troper, None is Too Many: Canada and the Jews of Europe, 1933 - 1948.
 
grauhanen said:
Henry Ford was only one prominent anti-Semite in the United States. Anti-Semitism held plenty of sway in not only the United States but also in Canada. Both countries had a very regrettable stance on the St. Louis, for example, and this was emblematic of common views at that time. For more details, see for example Irving Abella and Harold Troper, None is Too Many: Canada and the Jews of Europe, 1933 - 1948.
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All too often, after the war, it was a case of , No not me. While the Jews were trying to get out of Germany, nobody would take them.

Grizz
 
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