Ics Stages ?

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This ICS thing has me :confused:

I have an Ipsc Alias w/ IPSC CANADA.

Do any of the level 2 matches that we shoot have ICS stages ?
I keep filling out an ipsc alias at the matches, but still not classified w/ ipsc Canada ? do I have to set up an ICS stage, shoot & score myslelf & than submitt w/ $ 5.00 payment ?

How the hell do I get myself classified before this years Nationals ? :mad:

Shouldn't level 3 matches submit such results (especially the Ontario & Quebec provincials) ?

Any help in this matter would be great
 
I believe you still need to register your alias at www.ipsc.org ; there's a FAQ on the left side of the page that'll explain how this is done and how they're calculated. Your Section Co-Ordinator should be sending in the results of ICS stages automatically, as far as I know. HTH.

(I'm sort of curious myself, considering I've shot at least 3 Level 3's in Revolver, but still don't see any classification for me in that Division???)
 
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(a) the match needs to have classifier stages. and unless there is a grassroots request for them, or a provincial policy requiring them, inclusion is up to the match director.
(b) unless your match fees include the cost to submit the scores, or you request and pay the additional fees, your scores will not be submitted.
(c) while level 3 matches can be submitted for score, it seems that it is an all or nothing proposition, and unless it was budgeted for in advance, thats another $5 per person off the top. I can't speak for the Ont and Quebec guys, but its easy to forget about about that in the planning process as it is still a new option. and you not only have to apply to be a level 3, but also a classifier match, level 3's are not automatically eligible, at least according to the FAQ.
(d) yes you can set up your own stages, do 4 at a time, that way you spend $5 and get classified. one at a time is an expensive way to do it. Obviously you will need a copy of the winmss program. If you have a practice night, get some guys together and set up some stages. The stages are not too complex, and are good stages to practice with.
(e) reading the FAQ I just realized that there is a requirement to keep submitting fresh scores or you loose your classification.
(f) submission of results, excepting any provincial policies that might exist, is the responsibilty of the MD and/or SO. The SC is unlikely to have any role in it as a SC. generally if I include classifier stages in a match, I leave it up to the shooter, anyone wanting their scores submitted can pay the extra $5, nobody elses scores get submitted.
 
Ics

Well there is IPSC World, IPSC Canada, and IPSC Ontario Classification. You can read about them on the various web sites.

As for level 2 or 3 Matches in Ontario, they will only count for your IPSC Ontario Classification. If they have an "ICS Stage" they can forward those stage results and appropriate fee (this is on top of your match fee) the result is it’s too much hassle for most clubs to bother with ICS. In an indoor range your going to loose valuable range space setting up an ICS classifier and most competitors would prefer to shoot a field course.

I run the USPSA Classification program at my club and on nights we run our USPSA night the number of regular competitors drops in half. And we have a lot of people in Ontario, who shoot in the US and need a USPSA classification. With ICS it’s only really useful if you’re shooting internationally or at our nationals. It would be a different story if we were next to Europe where you could travel to a number of countries but our nearest IPSC country is the US and they have their own system.

If you really want to get an ICS classification I would suggest you to talk to a local club and have them put on a “Special ICS Classifier match for those who want to get a classification. I would start working on it soon since it usually takes about 2 months from the time the match was shot to the classifications are posted.

If you need more assistance I’d suggest speaking to one of IPSC Ontario’s Board Members.
 
Colt45gunner,

Keep your eye on the IPSC-Ont site for ICS matches at Windsor Action Pistol Club.

In the past, we put on one ICS Level 1 "Classifier" match just prior to the warm weather shooting season.

This year we are going to put on 2 ICS Level 1 "Classifier" matches.

Each match will consist of 4 ICS stages for a total of 8 stages. (You only need 4 stages to earn your classification.)

Dates have been set: Friday April 7th & Friday May 5th.

We get the range at 6PM... shoot till we are finished.

Cost is $10.

Get in touch with me if you need more information.

(I know Windsor seems like a bit of a drive, but it is only 3 hours from TO... grab some shooting buddies... split the gas.)
 
Thanks for the info guys.

2Filthy, I'll try to make those matches & any level 2's that you may hold.
I wish I made it to your sin city match, but just couldn't.

I don't plan to shoot internationally, but it would be nice to be classified at the nationals.
I don't know why ipsc canada just doesn't accept your provincial class ?
What the " F-k, after shooting 18 matches last year, It should be good enough & should be accepted in lieu of ICS stages.
I don't mind paying an extra $ 5.00 at some level 2 coming up to have that done.
 
colt45gunner said:
I don't know why ipsc canada just doesn't accept your provincial class ?
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Because your provincial class is based on the best shooter in the province. In Ontario this is probably pretty close to your National class due to the large membership. But what happens if you are in Saskatchewan where there are about 30 members in total and you are one of three persons shooting that division and you are a Grand Master there but when you are shooting Canadians you shoot only 75% of the match winner?
 
One of the basic limitations of IPSC match scoring is that you are being compared only against the people you are shooting against on a set of stages that nobody else has shot. If you find yourself shooting in a lot of matches against the Canadian champ in your division, your average score will be lower than it would be against a bunch of guys who are just out for fun. On the other hand, if you end up in Master class in your province, and then get your ass handed to you by the true Master class shooters at Nationals, then provincial classifications may not seem to be such a good idea.

For better of worse, ICS is an attempt at simulating a very large match were you shoot against everyone on the same stages. It's an attempt to be fair to everyone. Is it an accurate measure of your skill relative to everyone else in Canada? I'm not sure, but it's what we've got to try to make that comparison.
 
Mr. Fritz, I understand all that & agree with it.
I also shot the Nationals 2 years ago & that should atleast be used to classify
someone ?
anyways, I'll go thru the paces & get it done.
 
Hey Steve...I just looked back at my WinMSs files for the 2004 Nats...there's no ICS Alias on record for you at the match so that would explain why it's not included in your ICS Classification

If I recall correctly, the ICS info you provided was not on record with IPSC.org. It was either provided incorrectly or you registered it just before the match and wasn't valid when we ran the final stats.

On that note...send me your ICS Alias and I'll update my WinMSS data
 
EESA is going to run ICS stages starting the 2nd and 4th Tuesday nights starting in March. The plan is to run 2 to 3 stages each night.


At the end of two nights we will submit 6 stages to IPSC>
 
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