Ideal action for a new build?
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Ardent
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You can easily single load with a controlled round feed action too, just need to scallop the extractor to pop over the rim. If I was building a custom tomorrow I'd opt for an after market Mauser- Granite Mountain, Satterlee, etc. If on a budget, a Winchester Model 70, one of the FN South Carolina ones, and in stainless. And if after something different, completely change gears and go with a No.1.
Reasons I'd pick the Model 70,
-5 rounds down in the mag, standard chamberings, typically one better than most
-Controlled round feed (works just fine for single feeding, too)
-Three position, best and most copied safety in the business right from the get go
-Accomodates anything up to .470 Capstick without alteration (depending on the mag box you started with)
-Lengths in ultra short (WSSM), short, long, and extra long (only a mag box)
-Best resale out of all the normal affordable base actions for a custom, as let's face it, most of us let them go someday to build the next curiousity
You're likely going to fit some M70 features to a custom rifle anyhow, especially the safety, so why not start with one.
Reasons I'd pick the Model 70,
-5 rounds down in the mag, standard chamberings, typically one better than most
-Controlled round feed (works just fine for single feeding, too)
-Three position, best and most copied safety in the business right from the get go
-Accomodates anything up to .470 Capstick without alteration (depending on the mag box you started with)
-Lengths in ultra short (WSSM), short, long, and extra long (only a mag box)
-Best resale out of all the normal affordable base actions for a custom, as let's face it, most of us let them go someday to build the next curiousity
You're likely going to fit some M70 features to a custom rifle anyhow, especially the safety, so why not start with one.
I have never scalloped a claw extractor, I'll try to look into that. A commercial FN Mauser action sure would be nice, I have a few already but am not going to butcher those rifles.
Thanks Ardent and tiriaq
looks like 1-8 twist it is.
Maybe I just need to shop tradex for a donor rifle....
Thanks Ardent and tiriaq
looks like 1-8 twist it is.
Maybe I just need to shop tradex for a donor rifle....
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Couldn't go wrong with an FN either. You'll see a lot more twinkles in peoples' eyes if it's built on a Mauser (FN, BRNO other variants even better) or Model 70. Scalloping the extractor is simple, and easily done with a rotary tool and some 1500 grit to polish it out. Basically just give the claw a smooth ramp with which to pop over the rim, after market Mausers like Satterlee fully recommend their actions for single feeding. Always found it funny people are worried about single feeding Mausers, when many of them shoot 1911s.
Any of you ever play with the older a FN Browning hi power rifles? I looked for a good one for years and years, gave up.
Still not decided but now leaning towards a quality Mauser once again.... I swear that one day I'll have a Rem 700 just so I can say I have one!!!
Of all the rifles I own, have owned, could have owned, there is always a good reason (to me anyway) to go with something other than a 700 lol.
Still not decided but now leaning towards a quality Mauser once again.... I swear that one day I'll have a Rem 700 just so I can say I have one!!!
Of all the rifles I own, have owned, could have owned, there is always a good reason (to me anyway) to go with something other than a 700 lol.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
No on the Browing unfortunately. The 700 works, for sure- quick lock time, easily trued being a pipe / round receiver. It also features the most corner cutting of any major manufacturer's hunting rifles... Soldered together three piece bolt, suspect 2 position safety, sandwiched separate recoil lug between the barrel and receiver as a machining cost saver, and the rather flimsy little extractor. It's first and foremost design factor was a low cost of construction and machining process reduction. They've also struggled with quality control these past years, I think if you like the Model 700 buy a Surgeon- same thing with many of the issues fixed, much better custom base too, and they're affordable.
Now Douglas will quite fairly arrive and point out his Model 700 has done more wild hunting, and done it well, than nearly any rifle on this forum. My arguments are somewhat superficial as the Rem Model 700's build quality and design is clearly good enough, it's just I like even better... Even if I'll never need it.
Now Douglas will quite fairly arrive and point out his Model 700 has done more wild hunting, and done it well, than nearly any rifle on this forum. My arguments are somewhat superficial as the Rem Model 700's build quality and design is clearly good enough, it's just I like even better... Even if I'll never need it.
Nope. Just a nasty spring-loaded ejector to get stuck, or bounce your brass back into the ejection port. Don't worry, though. High rings and a chin weld will work!
True .. Mauser ejectors are known for that sort of thing ...... (if you say so
) but you are right of course -- people shouldnt be bidding up the price on those rotten old Sako's anyway!Doug must be off hunting the coast or something, he hasn't chimed in to many threads where he should have lately. Lol
I know the benefits of the 700, which I find the same qualities in most other actions. Their "three rings of steel" can't beat a 98 Mauser for shooter safety anyway.
Does the 700 really have the fastest lock time?
I also don't think the sako's ejector is the same as a 98 Mauser. I don't think there is a more reliable extraction ejection system made in a bolt action repeater.
I know the benefits of the 700, which I find the same qualities in most other actions. Their "three rings of steel" can't beat a 98 Mauser for shooter safety anyway.
Does the 700 really have the fastest lock time?
I also don't think the sako's ejector is the same as a 98 Mauser. I don't think there is a more reliable extraction ejection system made in a bolt action repeater.
Would that left locking lug look familiar:
If you look at a M98 bolt face .. you will see the obvious resemblance ... same for the ejector itself. The extractor otoh snaps easily over the cartridge rim making droping a round in the chamber quick and certain.
I think you will find that the "ejector" is pretty solid on the actions that these Sako bolts fit. And to the best of my knowledge (and reasonably extensive experience) I have never had a problem with a failure to eject with or without a scope mounted. Mind you I use the Sako rings only and find that the Leupold rings are of poor design for a Sako dovetail. Not trying to encourage anyone to push the prices up any more than they are though
here's a link that shows the Sako bolt face with the ejector provision...fwiw ..
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...d=0CBwQMygBMAFqFQoTCJTsutOamckCFQOnHgodrfEGGg
I think you will find the similarity with the M98 striking .. the actual ejector itself is easily as robust as the M98
