Ideas Wanted....30-30 with 150gr bullets in bolt action

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Okay you veteran old time reloads.

What powder would you use in a bolt action 30-30 using 150gr bullets?

I have a lot of bullets to use up and figured why not load them up for the 30-30. Been leaning towards 4895 or 4064 as I really have no use for those powders anymore....

Ideas????
 
Stonehorse, the Hogdon site has gives loads safe for the Model 94 Winchester and other lever actions.

I suspect the OP has a 340 Savage.

I have one of those and load it to the proverbial nuts.

I personally don't like your choice of powders but if it's all you have they will do.

I also don't like your selection of bullets as I suspect they are round or flat nosed.

If you're planning on hunting with those bullets they may not stand up to the velocities that can be loaded for the 340C. Another issue is that the powders you have are bulky and there may not be enough capacity in the case for more. IMHO, max listed loads would be a good starting point for the 340C rifle.

Do your own due diligence and don't depend on others for information on this particular rifle. The Savage I mentioned is very strong, much stronger than most lever actions designed for the 30-30. Be careful you don't end up with case head separation as well.
 
To clarify it is a CIL model 830.

and as Bear hunter suggested I want to utilize it to it's full potential. I do not play around with it a lot just want to get a decent load.

I have the all the main reloading books. Just looking for first hand experience with bolt actions with a magazine.

Calvin
 
Here's a link with some data for the T/C in 30/30. Don't know if would work for you. http ://www.sixguns.com/tests/tt3030ss.htm
 
Stonehorse, the Hogdon site has gives loads safe for the Model 94 Winchester and other lever actions.

I suspect the OP has a 340 Savage.

I have one of those and load it to the proverbial nuts.
The above mentioned site would give the OP a safe starting point & he can develop a load from there. Similar to a old trapdoor Springfield vs Ruger #1, both in 45/70
 
I wouldn't go too crazy with hot loads for those single lug Savage/CIL's.

There is also the possibility that somehow these hot bolt-action specific loads will get loaded into a Win 94 or other lever action....
No good can come of that.
 
The magic powder for the 30-30 class of cartridges is Leverevolution, or as they call it, LVR.
Of the powders you want to use up, 4895 will work OK for you.
Now, something about those Savage 340 style rifles, whether they have the name CIL on them, Stevens or Savage. They have a very short throat. The flat nosed 170 or 150 grain factory loads work in them, but just barely. If you are loading the standard 170 grain bullet, designed for the 30-30, you have to seat it deep.
If you load 150 grain pointed bullets, seated to look normal, they shoot fine. BUT, if you load one in the barrel and don't fire it, you cant get the loaded cartridge out of the rifle! The pointed bullet is too long to flip out of the slot.
If this was a Mauser 98 type action you would just pull the bolt out, along with the loaded cartridge. With the 340 style the bolt won't come out with the cartridge in it, because of the ejector, with the case rim held firmly by the extractor!
If you are in a location where you can shoot it, Ok. If not, the only real solution is to have good enough cleaning rod, or dowel, with you that you can tap the bullet deeper in the case.
 
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The bolt action 30-30 we call the 340 series is actually quite a unique rifle. The story goes that in war time Savage was making machine guns and they had masses of barrels left over, so they started up making a low priced hunting rifle, naming it Stevens 325 and using the left over machine gun barrels which used the locking nut to hold the barrels on, that was used in the machine guns. That was a cost cutting method, because they just screwed the barrel in until it had proper head space, then locked it with the nut and cut in the sight grooves. They made these Stevens 325 rifles until 1949, then a year later came out with the Savage marked 340, making it until 1985.
There appears to be no factory records, as to age, or what differences there was in the various marked models, but there seemed to be no end of variations. I have had five and no two were alike! I'm not sure that any of the five would use the same bolt. Some were decidedly different. It is said they used Beech or Birch stocks, but my latest acquired one has a nice, dark walnut stock.
Some, like the one I have marked CIL 830, are factory drilled for a Weaver side mount. It is an excellent, solid mount, directly over the bore and the rifle will compete with many others for accuracy. The previous owner had a Bushnell Scope Chief on it and used it for shooting moose in the Yukon. He even had two extra magazines for it, each with a professional made leather pouch to carry on a belt. All in all, its a pretty neat little rifle.
Other models, like my walnut stocked one, are factory drilled for an aperture sight, but not drilled for scope mounts, damn!
In short, just saying it is a Savage 340 type, is covering a lot of ground.
 
Thanks H4831. You were the one I was waiting for to pipe up...... What would you load for this rifle? You can PM if you would prefer. Like I said I would like to use up surplus Sierra 150gr Spitzers and Hornady 150gr BTSP's. I figure it would be a decent bullet out to maybe 200. Just a nice light carry rifle for predator control or in a tree stand in the bush......

Here is my model 830. Minus the band. Not sure what ever happened to it as Dad got it used. There is also a couple holes in the buttstock on the side. I assume this is where a sling loop was attached....







 
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Your 830 looks identical to mine. Only thing that band was designed, along with perfect fitting to the wood, for accurate shooting, by taking the vibrations out of the barrel on firing.
If I was you I would just load to the velocities the 30-30 was designed for, but many loading charts show lower speeds. The 30-30 with 170 grain bullets was designed for about 2220 fps, with a pressure of about 38,000, or so. I have tested some pretty old CIL loaded cartridges and they made right up around the expected speed. There are several powders out there that will make at least 2100 fps without going over the designed pressure of about 38,000. I will shoot the same loads in any 30-30 I have including my Model 1894 30 WCF, which was made in 1906, making it a 110 year old rifle! Even it was designed to shoot 2200 fps with 170 grain bullets.
It will take at least 32 grains of 30-31 to get that velocity and that is about tops.
One thing to remember is that most loading companies designed a 170 grain bullet, flat nose with lots of lead showing, that was an absolutely perfect design for killing animals. A perfect example of this was the 170 grain bullet as loaded by CIL in their Dominion ammunition and was responsible for killing so many moose during the meat hunting days of the great depression. Even Jack O'Connor used to say that the 30-30 killed game beyond what would be expected of it, going by the ballistics on it.
Thus, for a hunting load I wouldn't even dream about using Nosler Partitions, the Barnes bullets with the fancy designations, or any other "superior," bullet, but would just load up the old fashioned 170 grain model at regular speed. You can get about 150 fps faster without excessive pressure, by using the newer LVR powder. Hodgdon's show 36.3 grains of LVR for about 2330, but it took 37 grains for me to get to that speed. That would be my one and only hunting load for the 30-30.
150 grain pointed loads will still not make the 30-30 much of a whizzeroo at flat shooting. At a popular shooting contest we used to have, one division used lever action 30-30 rifles and the longest shot was 300 yards at a plywood, paper covered mountain goat, with a scoring target on him, just behind the shoulder. I had a good aperture rear and fine bead on the front, sighted in for dead on hold at 200 yards. We shot single shot, so I loaded pointed 150 grain bullets. Thus, I had to hold low at 100 and 150, dead on at 200. At 300 I held the bead resting on top of the goats shoulder, and the bullets would hit very close to the 4 inch 10 ring on the target. Therefore, the bullets dropped a over two feet at 300 yards, when dead on at 200.
 
I've always been fond of Win 748 in the 30-30....mag primers....... 34.5gr /150gr and 32gr/170gr bullets in any lever or H+R 158 SS Harold
 
Any load you work up for that one still has to fit in the magazine :)

I got my wife one of these, shoots great but the mag well is short, I do not know if long 150gr bullets will fit in the magazine unless you really bury them into the case.
 
Any load you work up for that one still has to fit in the magazine :)

I got my wife one of these, shoots great but the mag well is short, I do not know if long 150gr bullets will fit in the magazine unless you really bury them into the case.

Read post 11.
The pointed 150 grain bullets can be seated just deep enough to work in the magazine, and still too long to take out of the chamber, if you load it and don't shoot it.
 
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