Identify these poop, no really.

FLHTCUI said:
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Start of third para "Gwa’sala-‘Nakwaxda’xw First Nations Reserve in 2001 and one in the Sayward Valley in 2006, grizzly bears continue to be sighted in the North Island area. “To date, there is no evidence to support an established population of grizzly bears on Vancouver Island”(pers. comm. Tony Hamilton, 2009).

But, I didn’t have enough tryptophan in my blood stream earlier today so I was a little foggy.
If it looks like bear scatt, smells like bear scatt, it must be bear scatt, just don’t eat it.
It might contain mushrooms of questionable variety.

And if you are looking for the official results about GB sightings on Northern Vancouver Island you can contact the Band Office in Port Hardy and ask them for more info or the CO's in Campbell River who hauled the 3 year old down to Nanaimo for the necropsy results.

You will find at least one of those bears died of a .303 British round at close range.

Rob
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If the local common vernacular is to call all brown coloured bears as Grizzly Bears, then a news report regurgitating what the locals claim as Grizzly is not all that useful. Lets not forget how often news sources refer to any rifle, as an assault weapon. Their lack of accuracy does not end in firearms articles. Their goal is to pump the article out first, check facts later, then publish retractions if needed.

Maybe it was a Grizzly, maybe it was a Brown. I do find it odd that Brown Bears are common on the Pacific Coast from California to Alaska (and depending on the source even in BC) but Canada has no mention of them? This negates any value in checking with the Port hardy Band Office, or MNR to ask of their official findings, unless either acknowledges there are Brown Bears in Canada.

Most reference separate them mostly by their region, that Grizzlies do not have a maritime food source available, and are inland animals. The plentiful, and higher protein maritime diet cause Browns to be larger and slightly less aggressive. Aside from diet and location they are essentially the same animal, or were the same animal and are still very closely related.

It is a small distinction much like Kodiak Bears are Brown Bears, that are specifically from Kodiak Island. Again the same basic species as the common Brown Bear, but even larger, and a little less aggressive (mostly accredited to their even more plentiful food sources, and extremely high content of maritime protein).
 
45ACPKING said:
ya I'm no expert hehehe and wasn't trying to debate if that is how it came across.
I just never heard or read them being refered to as brown bears here in BC is all.
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All is good. More detail to explain your view point is always beneficial to a lively discussion, and mentioning the CWA is a perfect example. If Canada has no mention if Brown Bears, it is easy to expect that a Brown coloured Bear here must be of either sub-species.

Further it is completely possible that all Canadian Brown Bears have emigrated north or south, and Canadian Inland Grizzly Bears have moved to the coast to fill the void. If so at some point would they not lose the characteristics defining them as the Grizzly sub-species and revert back to the Brown Bear Species? Or even a new sub-species of "Coastal Grizzly Bear"?
 
JACKSMYDOG said:
If the local common vernacular is to call all brown coloured bears as Grizzly Bears, then a news report regurgitating what the locals claim as Grizzly is not all that useful. Lets not forget how often news sources refer to any rifle, as an assault weapon. Their lack of accuracy does not end in firearms articles. Their goal is to pump the article out first, check facts later, then publish retractions if needed.

Maybe it was a Grizzly, maybe it was a Brown. I do find it odd that Brown Bears are common on the Pacific Coast from California to Alaska (and depending on the source even in BC) but Canada has no mention of them? This negates any value in checking with the Port hardy Band Office, or MNR to ask of their official findings, unless either acknowledges there are Brown Bears in Canada.

Most reference separate them mostly by their region, that Grizzlies do not have a maritime food source available, and are inland animals. The plentiful, and higher protein maritime diet cause Browns to be larger and slightly less aggressive. Aside from diet and location they are essentially the same animal, or were the same animal and are still very closely related.

It is a small distinction much like Kodiak Bears are Brown Bears, that are specifically from Kodiak Island. Again the same basic species as the common Brown Bear, but even larger, and a little less aggressive (mostly accredited to their even more plentiful food sources, and extremely high content of maritime protein).
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Who is regurgitating what?
One local source community web page and local knowledge of the first Nations Band member who shot said bear.
The information is out there, but I digress poop is poop.
Dont step in it or succumb to becoming poop by not being situationally aware.
http://https://www.comoxvalleyrecord.com/news/grizzly-bear-photographed-on-vancouver-island-north-of-campbell-river/
http://https://www.campbellrivermirror.com/news/grizzly-sighted-on-quadra/

FLHTCUI
 
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Do you know that two grizzly bears set up light housekeeping on Cormorant island in 2016? That is a real short swim to Vancouver Island.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...rizzly-bears-comes-to-an-end/article32018094/

There was the one shot at Tsulquate reserve at Port Hardy in 2003 and Fred shot this one in 2006

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/grizzly-shot-on-vancouver-island-1.611397


I know about this one personally because I stayed at his place and hunted elk there on my LEH permit a couple years later.

There was one spotted at Cluxewe near Port McNeill last year.

https://www.northislandgazette.com/news/port-hardy-locals-encounter-a-grizzly-bear-while-fishing-near-cluxewe-river/

Brown? Yes they were brown.
 
MD said:
Do you know that two grizzly bears set up light housekeeping on Cormorant island in 2016? That is a real short swim to Vancouver Island.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/new...rizzly-bears-comes-to-an-end/article32018094/

There was the one shot at Tsulquate reserve at Port Hardy in 2003 and Fred shot this one in 2006

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/grizzly-shot-on-vancouver-island-1.611397


I know about this one personally because I stayed at his place and hunted elk there on my LEH permit a couple years later.

There was one spotted at Cluxewe near Port McNeill last year.

https://www.northislandgazette.com/...rizzly-bear-while-fishing-near-cluxewe-river/

Brown? Yes they were brown.
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If everyone in the area, including CO refer to all Brown Bears as Grizzly Bears, then any report of any brown coloured bear would automatically be referred to as a Grizzly whether it was or not. That would be in Police reports, CO reports and news reports, but it does not make it a fact. Some things that are fact; All Grizzly Bears are Brown Bears. Not all Brown Bears are Grizzly Bears. All brown coloured bears are not Brown Bears.

Good of you to post links from CBC and G&M both on many occasion have demonstrated my point by referring to any long gun as an assault rifle, and every pistol is a Glock 9.

I really wasn't looking to die on my sword on this point, I was merely pointing out that the defining trait of a Grizzly is an inland animal without access to maritime food sources, and Brown Bears are Coastal animals.
 
what started out as a thread about excrement...…. has become another pointless debate thread but we are no longer talking about excrement..... hahaha I love CGN :evil:
 
Straight from the pages of Wikipedia.

The grizzly bear (Ursus arctos ssp.) is a large population of the brown bear inhabiting North America. Scientists generally do not use the name grizzly bear but call it the North American brown bear.

Multiple morphological forms sometimes recognized as subspecies exist, including the mainland grizzly, Kodiak bear, peninsular grizzly, and the recently extinct California grizzly and Mexican grizzly bear. On average bears near the coast tend to be larger while inland grizzlies tend to be smaller.
The Ussuri brown bear inhabiting Russia, Northern China, Japan and Korea is sometimes referred to as the black grizzly, although it is a different subspecies from the bears in America.
 
snoopycda said:
Straight from the pages of Wikipedia.

The grizzly bear (Ursus arctos ssp.) is a large population of the brown bear inhabiting North America. Scientists generally do not use the name grizzly bear but call it the North American brown bear.

Multiple morphological forms sometimes recognized as subspecies exist, including the mainland grizzly, Kodiak bear, peninsular grizzly, and the recently extinct California grizzly and Mexican grizzly bear. On average bears near the coast tend to be larger while inland grizzlies tend to be smaller.
The Ussuri brown bear inhabiting Russia, Northern China, Japan and Korea is sometimes referred to as the black grizzly, although it is a different subspecies from the bears in America.
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Watched a show about the Russian east coast and the big river that goes into china. They showed all the bears and other critters. Was pretty cool too see.
 
Whether the scat is grizzly bear or black bear, their diet is what colours the scat. If they have been into fresh blood and/or meat, it will be black(er).
Both species also dig and eat a lot of roots throughout the year, when other food sources are not as plentiful, and without a close up to identify easier, it could be root material in that scat as well. Mushrooms, as already mentioned, and other fungi can provide similar results. The bear is obviously getting enough food, from the size of the piles of scat pictured.
Grass makes up a large part of any bear's diet, and must be eaten first in the spring to provide the roughage needed to remove their fecal plug previously mentioned.
Most interesting bear scats I have ever found were bright orange! The black bear was feeding exclusively on an orange berry (sorry, name is escaping me at the moment) found in our local muskeg and wet areas, and as his diet changed to these berries, his scat went from brown to bright orange, as he had obviously been staying in that areas over a period of time.
 
BlackRam said:
Whether the scat is grizzly bear or black bear, their diet is what colours the scat. If they have been into fresh blood and/or meat, it will be black(er).
Both species also dig and eat a lot of roots throughout the year, when other food sources are not as plentiful, and without a close up to identify easier, it could be root material in that scat as well. Mushrooms, as already mentioned, and other fungi can provide similar results. The bear is obviously getting enough food, from the size of the piles of scat pictured.
Grass makes up a large part of any bear's diet, and must be eaten first in the spring to provide the roughage needed to remove their fecal plug previously mentioned.
Most interesting bear scats I have ever found were bright orange! The black bear was feeding exclusively on an orange berry (sorry, name is escaping me at the moment) found in our local muskeg and wet areas, and as his diet changed to these berries, his scat went from brown to bright orange, as he had obviously been staying in that areas over a period of time.
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Mountain Ash (Rowanberry). I see that in bear scat too in September in a specific area I usually go to at that time
 
Wasn't the mountain ash, which we have lots of, in both the orange and red varieties, and usually grows in drier soils and on slopes. This is a ground level plant that prefers wetter terrain and ground and grows a single orange berry. Referred to by some as bog berries, but is not the actual name. Cannot find in the plant books with a quick search, but will keep looking...
 
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