IDPA Cover calls - interesting note

Due to many of the previous quote's I must agree with 7.62's earlier statement on objectivity in scoring. Unless the elements of a stage are repeatable in the exact same manner for every competitor you cannot fairly compare competitors. If they are not repeated exactly the same for each competitor you open yourself up to a mountain of complaints,confusion,frustration and ultimatly people leaving the sport. Resulting in the death of your sport due to lack of competitors. Or is this just the shinny version of the sport?

Speaking only for IDPA and none of the other offshoots, this is exactly how it is supposed to be done in IDPA. If it is not, again, get in touch with one of your area contacts and inform them.
 
Unless the elements of a stage are repeatable in the exact same manner for every competitor you cannot fairly compare competitors.
Agreed, as long as instead of exact we substitute "almost exactly" - because it can't be exact as such. Ground conditions, lighting, target condition, target position (they get bumped) and so on will be close but not exactly the same.
 
...The IDPA match the OP is referring to is in fact ODPL. This is where he was dinged for cover.

The specific event was in fact, NOT an ODPL match....although, from time to time, I have been called for cover in ODPL, sometimes probably as a 'stressor'

I should also mention, none of these calls are ever a big enough deal for me to offer any sort of complaint, in unsanctioned matches, I enjoy shooting under stress, it makes things much less predictable.

I simply fell into believing that I wasn't using cover appropriately when in fact, according to the rules I was.
 
The specific event was in fact, NOT an ODPL match....although, from time to time, I have been called for cover in ODPL, sometimes probably as a 'stressor'

I should also mention, none of these calls are ever a big enough deal for me to offer any sort of complaint, in unsanctioned matches, I enjoy shooting under stress, it makes things much less predictable.

I simply fell into believing that I wasn't using cover appropriately when in fact, according to the rules I was.

Time to get your SO designation........!
 
Isn't IDPA a simulation of this real world. .

Nope! IDPA is a shooting sport with rules like all organized sports have. If you want tp play IDPA then your play by the rules of IDPA. By playing by a set of rules we are able to compare one shooters score against one another. If you like shooting something else, fill your boots.

The OP asked a valid question about a call he received in IDPA. He didn't do so to complain or whine. He did so to find out an answer to a question. I know him personally and he represents the type of shooter I have experienced everywhere I shoot IDPA. He also is a very good shot.

IDPA is a laid back, competitive sport where shooters spend more time trying to compete within the rules then avoid or circumvent. Makes for a very pleasant experience IMHO.

Take Care

Bob
 
Nope! IDPA is a shooting sport with rules like all organized sports have. If you want tp play IDPA then your play by the rules of IDPA. By playing by a set of rules we are able to compare one shooters score against one another. If you like shooting something else, fill your boots.

The OP asked a valid question about a call he received in IDPA. He didn't do so to complain or whine. He did so to find out an answer to a question. I know him personally and he represents the type of shooter I have experienced everywhere I shoot IDPA. He also is a very good shot.

IDPA is a laid back, competitive sport where shooters spend more time trying to compete within the rules then avoid or circumvent. Makes for a very pleasant experience IMHO.

Take Care

Bob

I know Wikipedia has some misleading information as anyone can update it. Here is what they have for IDPA...

The International Defensive Pistol Association, founded in 1996, is an organization based in Berryville, Arkansas, USA that promotes defensive pistol shooting as a sport, using equipment including full-charge service ammunition to solve simulated "real world" self-defense scenarios. Shooters competing in defensive pistol events are required to use practical handguns and holsters that are deemed suitable for self-defense use. The sport came about as a response to many perceived shortcomings of competitions organized by the International Practical Shooting Confederation (IPSC). It was decided by the founders of IDPA (Bill Wilson, John Sayle, Ken Hackathorn, #### Thomas, Walt Rauch and Larry Vickers), which included some of the founders of IPSC, that IPSC competitions had become too far removed from the reality of defensive shooting situations, using extensively modified guns, handmade ammunition, and speed-draw holsters that were impractical for self-defense. The IDPA founders believed that IPSC matches had become "gun races," which were heavily dependent on equipment. That is, you had to have the latest gun, sighting equipment, and competition holster to be competitive. Since alterations to the sidearm are carefully regulated in IDPA, and magazine capacity is limited to a division-specific maximum of 10 rounds, it is possible to be competitive in IDPA with a greatly reduced outlay of money.
 
Yes that is close. The front page of the rule book is even closer. There is a difference between making up stages that simulate real life situations and shooting a sport that simulates the real world. In the real wold BG's shoot back, the participants don't play by rules, nobody but widows are to concernced about who finished 2nd and it is not a sport.

Take Care

Bob
 
The very first paragraph of IDPA's welcome message on their official website reads as follows:

"The International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) is the governing body of a shooting sport that simulates self-defense scenarios and real life encounters".

So your "Nope" comment to my "Isn't IDPA a simulation of this real world" was unfounded.

Also, have you ever considered that too much regulation turns people away from the sport. Not much more makes newcomers more nervous than the thought of embarrassment if they don't do everything by the book.

I participate mostly for the comeradery and the fun of it and the realistic simulation (God forbid) to a real life encounter. If I wanted numbers and speed shoots without any mind set, I'd be IPSquicking it with a yard stick, ghosting and a walk through before I let go a round. But what fun is that.

Unless you're talking sanctioned matches, I'll happily trade procedurals for laughs.

Though I do appreciate Onagoth's opening post, your comment about not intending to complain or whine, I somewhat disagree.
It wasn't really necessary to point out something already spelled out in the book and that what most of us already know by having read the rules unless there was some sort of angst on his mind about the cover call. Hence my "What misconception?" comment.

It's really no big deal, I'm saying not to be so anal about a sport that is intended more for fun than saving lives, especially in a Country where you don't get to bring to the street what you learned on the range, or in a rule book. :)
 
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The very first paragraph of IDPA's welcome message on their official website reads as follows:

"The International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) is the governing body of a shooting sport that simulates self-defense scenarios and real life encounters".

So your "Nope" comment to my "Isn't IDPA a simulation of this real world" was unfounded.

Also, have you ever considered that too much regulation turns people away from the sport. Not much more makes newcomers more nervous than the thought of embarrassment if they don't do everything by the book.

I participate mostly for the comeradery and the fun of it and the realistic simulation (God forbid) to a real life encounter. If I wanted numbers and speed shoots without any mind set, I'd be IPSquicking it with a yard stick, ghosting and a walk through before I let go a round. But what fun is that.

Unless you're talking sanctioned matches, I'll happily trade procedurals for laughs.

Though I do appreciate Onagoth's opening post, your comment about not intending to complain or whine, I somewhat disagree.
It wasn't really necessary to point out something already spelled out in the book and that what most of us already know by having read the rules unless there was some sort of angst on his mind about the cover call. Hence my "What misconception?" comment.

It's really no big deal, I'm saying not to be so anal about a sport that is intended more for fun than saving lives, especially in a Country where you don't get to bring to the street what you learned on the range, or in a rule book. :)

Well this being said is all fine and dandy, but there is also rules beyond that in the book that must be followed. You do not want to fallow them then do not play. You want to whine, do not play. Simple isn't it.
 
Well this being said is all fine and dandy, but there is also rules beyond that in the book that must be followed. You do not want to fallow them then do not play. You want to whine, do not play. Simple isn't it.

:) Not sure what you exactly mean, but so long as you understand that I'm not whining about anything and I have read the rulebook.
 
Easy my point to your post is IDPA does not simulate real world it simulates self defense scenarios. We do it with rules of play. In the real world targets shoot back, and IDPA isn't very "real world", frankly. Pyrotechnics and hazzing of shooters is not part of our sport. Not here or on the other side of the 49th. Side matches such as shotgun, rifle stump shoots and balloon chasing take place frequently after IDPA club and Sanctioned Matches but they are not part of the IDPA match and the scores are not recorded in the match results.

I am not at all sure what is accomplished by introducing distractions to a shooter while he is shooting a stage. Such practices could result in unintended consequences.

I didn't notice before posting what Province you recide in but you should be aware some ranges and a lot of firearm owners have very different views on action pistol shooting. As one of the indivuduals responsible for the administration of IDPA in Canada I have to be mindful of this.

Take Care

Bob
 
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