I am a member at Poco and voted yes to IDPA. I don't know a heck of a lot about it but anything that gets a little more diversification (for me) up there is ok. Sounds like it might be something interesting to try...if it goes forward.
IDPA-POCO-Members [UPDATED-PROPOSAL TURNED DOWN FOR 3RD YEAR IN A ROW. SEE POST#285]
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As a PoCo Member I will most definitely be voting NO to IDPA at PoCo. To quote cgn member above:
"IDPA as a shooting discipline is closer to Jeff Cooper's original concept of combat shooting, where the shooter carries concealed production weapon and reacts to external threats where cover is an important factor. I personally think that the El Presidente excercise should be done with firearms concealed under garments."
We as legal firearms owners in Canada are trying to dispel the notion that firearm are used as weapons against fellow humans. I feel this shooting sport projects the wrong image.
I put holes in paper targets. I shoot clay birds. I do not go to the range and shoot thinking that these are other humans. And this, to me is what this discipline encourages.
"IDPA as a shooting discipline is closer to Jeff Cooper's original concept of combat shooting, where the shooter carries concealed production weapon and reacts to external threats where cover is an important factor. I personally think that the El Presidente excercise should be done with firearms concealed under garments."
We as legal firearms owners in Canada are trying to dispel the notion that firearm are used as weapons against fellow humans. I feel this shooting sport projects the wrong image.
I put holes in paper targets. I shoot clay birds. I do not go to the range and shoot thinking that these are other humans. And this, to me is what this discipline encourages.
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IDPA/IPSC/USPSA are GAMES and nothing more.
Look at the original target that IPSC used which is the same one that USPSA uses.
You shoot clay birds - that simulates killing too.
You might want to rethink your vote because clay birds may be next.
Wow! The comment about Jeff Cooper was about the evolution of equipment used in a sport. Specialization creeps in. Have you seen what a single shot 22 cal fee pistol looks like in the Free pistol event in Olympic? Or a rapid fire pistol in the same Olympic games?
As RePete says it is a sport, if you associate the paper target you are making a hole in with people, then you'd better rethink about..........
As RePete says it is a sport, if you associate the paper target you are making a hole in with people, then you'd better rethink about..........
AS a member of PoCo I don't want to be affiliated with a "Game" that encourages that kind of shooting. We can NOT conceal carry. Firearms are NOT to be used against another "HUMAN".
Is not the view that gun are only meant for killing other people one we have been trying to dispel?
I have no qualm about people who want to shoot birds and the act to do so (as long as you have the proper permits) is not illegal.
As far as I know (and please correct me if I am mistaken) IPSC has moved forward and has removed the association to "human targets" out of the "game". Now strictly being a timed and scored, paper target, obstacle course.
Can the same be said about IDPA???
Is not the view that gun are only meant for killing other people one we have been trying to dispel?
I have no qualm about people who want to shoot birds and the act to do so (as long as you have the proper permits) is not illegal.
As far as I know (and please correct me if I am mistaken) IPSC has moved forward and has removed the association to "human targets" out of the "game". Now strictly being a timed and scored, paper target, obstacle course.
Can the same be said about IDPA???
Man oh man!!! I am guessing that you may be a director there, are you? The have PCP and LEAP there, What are police trained to shoot at?
I too am a member there, and feel that if the schedule allows for another SHOOTING SPORT, why the heck not?
No I am not a Director at PoCo and as a matter of fact I don't shoot IPSC either.
PPC = Police Pistol Combat
LEAP = Law Enforcement Action Pistol
The only people I want to have firearms in a human on human situation
And on a completely selfish note another sport means less time for me on the lower range!!!
PPC = Police Pistol Combat
LEAP = Law Enforcement Action Pistol
The only people I want to have firearms in a human on human situation
And on a completely selfish note another sport means less time for me on the lower range!!!
agree!!
It is just another sport. I have never done it myself, but I think it it doesn't really matter what the target is. I look at all of the different targets that they sell in the States. Bin Laden, Saddam, etc paper is paper.
I agree with you on the lower range, I love shooting down there. But I think back to when I was a kid on a ice rink or a basketball court. If I didn't feel like playing shinny hockey or pick up bball, I gave up the ice/ court to those who wanted to have a real game.
At the AGM there was discussion about expanding the number of ranges. As far as worrying what people think of our sport it isn't going to keep me up nights. I have fun shooting IPSC and I would have fun shooting IDPA. I don't get the clay thing but you know I haven't tried it so I won't dump on it. Might be fun who knows. Same goes for IPSC and IDPA
Boys, boys everyone has their opinions on what they would want to shoot at any given range. If IDPA, IPSC doesn't agree with them, Canada is a free country and anyone deserves the right to choose what activity suits them. If shooting static at targets then so be it. But any given range has various activities to suit all desires. Obtaining,safe firearm proficiency and variety in different scenarios are what IDPA, IPSC, LEAP etc.... all condon and they certainly provide the envirionment to practise and develope individual skills. Lets listen to all and understand all different views.
In the end, the range that provides the most variety of shooting disciplines will satisfy all desires. Our shooting fraternity is a substantial minority in the overall Canadian community so lets all support each others views. As long as we can enjoy our sport with safe firearm handling, lets continue to support each other irregardless of what our individual shooting desires are.
Happy shooting for us all!!!
In the end, the range that provides the most variety of shooting disciplines will satisfy all desires. Our shooting fraternity is a substantial minority in the overall Canadian community so lets all support each others views. As long as we can enjoy our sport with safe firearm handling, lets continue to support each other irregardless of what our individual shooting desires are.
Happy shooting for us all!!!
You are right Rottboy, everyone has a right to their opinion. Only now we begin to have a glimpse of the reasons behind the "No" votes. Its only with their reasonings exposed that we can have a dialogue.
"And on a completely selfish note another sport means less time for me on the lower range!!!"
How do you respond to that kind of reasoning? Constructively!!!!
"And on a completely selfish note another sport means less time for me on the lower range!!!"
How do you respond to that kind of reasoning? Constructively!!!!
The only way is to look at the numbers and times available. The lower ranges (#3-6), even with re-implementation of the RUC course, remains under-utilized on given weekdays and weekends. IDPA intends to avail of these times and not infringe on members time. For example: If the range closes at 4:30pm, IDPA activities could easily satisfy members of all shooting disciplines by shooting after those times to maximize unutilized range hours. Its not rocket science and the objective is to co-exist and not create dissatisfaction.
Like I said, I have never done either but am willing to do what ever my schedule permits. Is the other poster being selfish yes, can I respect her opinion as selfish as it is yes. Do I respect her opinion of not liking idpa because of the type of targets no way. If she was not a shooter, I would have thought that she was an anti.
If IDPA is voted down this year, I hope that the close to 80% remember that when they attend the 2012 AGM and are voting. LEAP and PPC only take up ranges 1-3 How many ranges are needed for IDPA?
Thank you for your honest and encompassing attitude. This is very healthy and positive approach to have IDPA at Poco.
Look forward to have you shooting the sport. Meanwhile you are welcome to try it out on Wed nights in Chilliwack. Or every first Sundays.
Look forward to have you shooting the sport. Meanwhile you are welcome to try it out on Wed nights in Chilliwack. Or every first Sundays.
Wow. Seriously? Voting no because of the image IDPA gives? That is the height of both ignorance and arrogance. Its thinking of that nature that got us into the jam we all face now with our current firearms laws. Fud is the nicest thing I can throw out there without giving myself an infraction. If the day comes that we lose our handguns, it'll be people like you that caused it. And when that happens I look forward to the day you lose your shotgun. I'll happily be the one to turn it to scrap and watch you get upset. With people like you involved in our shooting sports we don't need Wendy and her ilk.
Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
Disgusting, absolutely disgusting.
