IDPA-POCO-Members [UPDATED-PROPOSAL TURNED DOWN FOR 3RD YEAR IN A ROW. SEE POST#285]

[DVC1911]

Poco has over 2000 members and multi disciplines. Getting range time is starting to get difficult. Can they afford to take another discipline on to an already crowded facility?

I did not see that last IDPA presentation, but I saw the ones previous, and the biggest issue they have with IDPA is that IDPA does not want to follow the rules of the club. They, IDPA, want to run a club inside a club. After what happen last time, POCO can not afford to take that chance.

 

[c3pppo]

"IDPA does not want to follow the rules of the club. They, IDPA, want to run a club inside a club."

Would you care to expand on this ? What specifically is IDPA wanting that conflicts with the POCO rules ?

 

[John in B.C.]

Poco has over 2000 members and multi disciplines. Getting range time is starting to get difficult. Can they afford to take another discipline on to an already crowded facility?

I did not see that last IDPA presentation, but I saw the ones previous, and the biggest issue they have with IDPA is that IDPA does not want to follow the rules of the club. They, IDPA, want to run a club inside a club. After what happen last time, POCO can not afford to take that chance.

That is a pretty loaded set of statements.

Can you expand??

John

 

[Rottboy_8]

........Getting range time is starting to get difficult...........I did not see that last IDPA presentation, .....biggest issue ....is that IDPA does not want to follow the rules of the club.........want to run a club inside a club................................

I personally, made the last two formal proposals (2009 & 2010) to the Poco board so can speak first-hand. Lets get the facts straight.
- IDPA has no intention of creating "a club within a club". As with all other existing committees, we desire to be another committee reporting to the existing heirarchy as it currently stands (following club's by-laws and all rules).
- As for crowded range time, I agree that #7 is usually busy but refering to the club's 2010 calendar for ranges #3 to #6, out of the available 52 weekends (104 weekend days) in 2010, there were at least 25 weekend days available and unused by various committee activities. This does not include available week days. IDPA's intent is to create an additional activity (using unutilized range facilities) for all interested members and outside parties, thereby further enhancing POCO's attraction.

Please feel free to continue to voice your legitimate concerns and I'll do my best to clarrify IDPA's position. Our appreciation goes out to all those supporting our quest. Happy shooting to us all!

 

[John in B.C.]

Poco has over 2000 members and multi disciplines. Getting range time is starting to get difficult. Can they afford to take another discipline on to an already crowded facility?

I did not see that last IDPA presentation, but I saw the ones previous, and the biggest issue they have with IDPA is that IDPA does not want to follow the rules of the club. They, IDPA, want to run a club inside a club. After what happen last time, POCO can not afford to take that chance.

Well since the poster has not seen fit to expand I am going to call B.S. right now.

I have shot in many IDPA club matches and 3 IDPA Provincials and I have never done or seen anything that would not fit into the rules of any range I have ever shot on. If IPSC fits within the rule set of a given range then IDPA will as well.

If you have something to back up these statements I would advise you to get it out in the open otherwise you have zero credibility on this issue.

John

 

[sangbros]

I'm in!! I am a member of IPSC BC..
but I'd really like to do IDPA too. looks more fun!!!

 

[DVC1911]

Rott:

As for this statement: IDPA has no intention of creating "a club within a club". As with all other existing committees, we desire to be another committee reporting to the existing heirarchy as it currently stands (following club's by-laws and all rules).

Well you did not explain yourself very well then, because the above statement did not come across to the BOD.

 

[Rottboy_8]

.......Well you did not explain yourself very well then, because the above statement did not come across to the BOD................

Unfamiliar with the exact proposal(s) your referring to. Nevertheless you have your opinions, but let me state the FACTS. My two formal written IDPA proposals in 2009 & 2010 are with the board and now a matter of record. It states clearly that our intention is to abide to all the rules as like the other existing committees with no special or extraordinary treatment. As for the BOD not being clear, during the 2010 presentation, all questions were answered.

 

[Slavex]

I'm going to guess that since Poco essentially has rules built off of IPSC that some of the issue may be holster use etc. They may want all IDPA members participating to have their BB or something.
As for the fee to get into IPSC, $200 is the current rate I'm seeing out there. This includes your first year membership, two days of training and all your paperwork. I suppose we could just charge more for the membership in IPSC, and pay instructors for their time that way. But I think people might object to that.
If a person has been out for years, they can feel however they like, but the only way we know you're safe to run around and shoot stuff with one of us on the range with you, is to put you through your BB. Worst case scenario you get some practice in and maybe learn something useful. $200 is a bargain.

 

[Rottboy_8]

........some of the issue may be holster use etc. They may want all IDPA members participating to have their BB or something.
As for the fee to get into IPSC, $200 is the current rate I'm seeing......
...............

Here's more info for all.
Hoster qualification was a discussion point in 2009. IDPA proposed to run a holster course (similar to that run at the Chilliwack Club). This issue seems to have been addressed since it was not brought up in 2010 Executive Committee Q/A session. As for BB holders, they are exempt from re-taking another holster course.
Cost for 1 year IDPA membership (International) is US$60/yr. while our club integrated holster course is $50 (one time expense). Total $110.

 

[John in B.C.]

Here's more info for all.
Hoster qualification was a discussion point in 2009. IDPA proposed to run a holster course (similar to that run at the Chilliwack Club). As for BB holders, they are exempt from re-taking another holster course.
Cost for 1 year IDPA membership (International) is US$60 while our club integrated holster course is $50. Total $110.

I would imagine all members would have to pay club dues as well?

John

 

[Rottboy_8]

..................I would imagine all members would have to pay club dues as well?............

Any IDPA current member can shoot any IDPA event all over the world. Depending on each club's specific rules, club dues are not a necessity, but does make financial sense, depending on how many times one wants to participate.
At Chilliwack, a IDPA non-club member will have to pay a day fee ($10). At Poco their day fee is $20. Most IDPA affiliated clubs hold matches once per month.

 

[Slavex]

Only If they belong to Poco. If there is a core group of people at Poco who want to run IDPA matches, then they'll already have their range memberships in place. The IDPA membership would be on top of that. Same for IPSC guys at Poco.

 

[John in B.C.]

Any IDPA current member can shoot any IDPA event all over the world. Depending on each club's specific rules, club dues are not a necessity, but does make financial sense, depending on how many times one wants to participate.
At Chilliwack, a IDPA non-club member will have to pay a day fee ($10). At Poco their day fee is $20. Most IDPA affiliated clubs hold matches once per month.

Are you saying that local residents want to put on IDPA matches at PoCo without being members of the PoCo club/range??

John

 

[Rottboy_8]

..............If there is a core group of people at Poco who want to run IDPA matches, then they'll already have their range memberships in place. The IDPA membership would be on top of that. Same for IPSC guys at Poco.

Completely correct!!!! Have got at least 5 Poco members who are IDPA members. 3 of them (including myself) are IDPA SO qualified. A minimum of 4 IDPA SO's are needed to run a match and can easily get IDPA Certified SO's from Chilliwack to help out in the beginning.

Are you saying that local residents want to put on IDPA matches at PoCo without being members of the PoCo club/range?? John

The objective, being a member of Poco, is to introduce an additional activity for the members. As far as outside (Non-member) individuals trying to hold matches (IDPA or others) at POCO, they may consider it depending on the amount of rental fees agreed upon (ultimately, am not in a position to speak for their mgt.).
As far as I'm concerned, would like IDPA to exist as a additional committee governed by the existing hierarchy. Its a long term relationship thats desired rather than being a temporary occurance.

 

[John in B.C.]

Completely correct!!!! Have got at least 5 Poco members who are IDPA members. 3 of them (including myself) are IDPA SO qualified. A minimum of 4 IDPA SO's are needed to run a match and can easily get IDPA Certified SO's from Chilliwack to help out in the beginning.



The objective, being a member of Poco, is to introduce an additional activity for the members. As far as outside (Non-member) individuals trying to hold matches (IDPA or others) at POCO, they may consider it depending on the amount of rental fees agreed upon (ultimately, am not in a position to speak for their mgt.).
As far as I'm concerned, would like IDPA to exist as a additional committee governed by the existing hierarchy. Its a long term relationship thats desired rather than being a temporary occurance.

Right on

Sounds like you have a handle on it.

Good luck.

I have shot IPSC at PoCo and it would be great to come down there to shoot IDPA sometime.

John

 

[Rottboy_8]

Right on
........would be great to come down there to shoot IDPA sometime.
John

Will need lotsa good luck but in the interim, you and everyone else is welcome to shoot IDPA at Chilliwack. Wenesday night are the weekly indoor (winter) IDPA practices and the first Sunday of every month is the club match.

 

[RePete]

I'm going to guess that since Poco essentially has rules built off of IPSC that some of the issue may be holster use etc. They may want all IDPA members participating to have their BB or something. As for the fee to get into IPSC, $200 is the current rate I'm seeing out there. This includes your first year membership, two days of training and all your paperwork. I suppose we could just charge more for the membership in IPSC, and pay instructors for their time that way. But I think people might object to that.
If a person has been out for years, they can feel however they like, but the only way we know you're safe to run around and shoot stuff with one of us on the range with you, is to put you through your BB. Worst case scenario you get some practice in and maybe learn something useful. $200 is a bargain.

Why would a non IPSC shooter want to pay $200 for a BB course that he's not going to use? IDPA do not charge other than admin costs.

The BB course doesn't make a safe shooter, only practice does that under direction. That's why we have RO's and SO's.

 

[OEM]

This is great news!

Hi there Rottboy,
This is good to know for sure! I was getting the feeling that no POCO members seemed interested in IDPA and here you go saying that a formal presentation was made in the past 2 years. Blown away!

I for one am really interested in IDPA and will support the club decision to have it run there. I really wish I didn't have to drive to Chilliwack for it!

PM on its way!

With the support of Canuck44, the IDPA affiliation proposal has been formally presented to the POCO Board for the past two years. Each time, there seems to be resistance of one sort or another. Thankfully, some members of the Poco board are allowing me to make another presentation for the EC meeting on March 8th.
If all those POCO members can spread the word and PM me your names, I will start a petition to present at that time. Its been a long road and lets hope we can reach the destination in 2011.
Will keep all posted on developements.
In the meantime, some of us Poco members continue to support IDPA out of the Chilliwack Club. As Katana infers, propogating additional activities for any club benefits all members.

 

[HUGODOG]

Will need lotsa good luck but in the interim, you and everyone else is welcome to shoot IDPA at Chilliwack. Wenesday night are the weekly indoor (winter) IDPA practices and the first Sunday of every month is the club match.

I am going to put my foot in my mouth and ask a few questions with regards to why, in the past two years, the request to include IDPA at Poco failed.

1. Would IDPA at Poco be part of IPSC - answer. No, IDPA and IPSC are separate international organizations with their own rules and practices, so there is no reason why it should be operated under IPSC.

2. Following along that trend of thought - who would run IDPA in Poco?

3. Who is saying no to IDPA in Poco and who is voting no in this forum.

I think we all know the answer to the questions above but as Canadians are too polite to address it openly. Perhaps we should face up to it. Otherwise Rottboy's March 8th effort would be wasted.