IDPA power floor for SSP
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- Peace River, Alberta
Sorry I mispoke
The way Steve will be running it!
Sportsmanship, sportsmanship, sportsmanship.
If you don't have it, then we have an issue.
Greg
The way Steve will be running it!
Sportsmanship, sportsmanship, sportsmanship.
If you don't have it, then we have an issue.
Greg
Steve:
The chrono is a separate stage at the Nationals and is performed every year.
That being said, we had a shooter using a 44 Mag, so his ammo wasn't chrono'd - no gun. The Win WB was chrono'd to a point and then all Win WB was rubber stamped.
We didn't do all of the ammo because we run out of time but we cracked a whack of it.
FWIW At the Frozen Penquin, the chono was done by the competitor, as it was incorporated into a stage.
- Location
- Peace River, Alberta
Chrony
Take the time to chrony ammo is a big task. Certain events should take on that big task.
Greg
Take the time to chrony ammo is a big task. Certain events should take on that big task.
Greg
I understand the rulling in the book, and I understand that it doesn't matter what country the match is held in to apply...
My question is how many clubs in Canada actually run the chrono per the rule book; ie. with specific 'testing guns' for every calibre?
Have you guys in Terrace run a chrono for your matches?
Another question for Repete: what guns did you use for the tests?
- Location
- Peace River, Alberta
Chrony
I would hazard a guess that not many clubs across this sphere we call home chrony. Lets take the example of the Nevada state match I attended a couple years ago. 200 shooters, 14 stages. When I recieved my match bag, there were my stage slips in there with stage labels to put on the slips. There was a label with "chrony stage" on it, however there was no chrony stage ever shot.
I bleieve it was there just in case. 200 shooters is a big match. If they never used on a match like that then I would guess most don't. Now the nationals, I would expect it there for sure.
That being said I would also say that most of time it will not be needed but it should be there just in case you see a competitor shooting nice light loads that barely cycle the slide.
I would also hazard a guess that the guns used will be donated for the chrony portion from fellow competitors.
Greg
I would hazard a guess that not many clubs across this sphere we call home chrony. Lets take the example of the Nevada state match I attended a couple years ago. 200 shooters, 14 stages. When I recieved my match bag, there were my stage slips in there with stage labels to put on the slips. There was a label with "chrony stage" on it, however there was no chrony stage ever shot.
I bleieve it was there just in case. 200 shooters is a big match. If they never used on a match like that then I would guess most don't. Now the nationals, I would expect it there for sure.
That being said I would also say that most of time it will not be needed but it should be there just in case you see a competitor shooting nice light loads that barely cycle the slide.
I would also hazard a guess that the guns used will be donated for the chrony portion from fellow competitors.
Greg
At the Ontario Provincials, the MD asked the SO's to watch for any "light" loaded ammo. The Match Booklet indicated ammo would be chronoed. None to my knowledge was but the chrono was available.
Two years ago a competitor posted on the IDPA forum that while Washington State Match advertised they were going to chrono, they didn't do it. The poster was suggesting that if you wanted to run lower PF ammo you likely wouldn't get caught. Well in 2008 and 2009 we did Chrono all ammo. To my knowledge two competitors had ammo that failed the test with reloaded .45acp and were moved to ESP from CDP as a courtesy to allow them to continue to shoot the match.
At the BC Provincials this year we had the capability to chrono rounds and had guns available to do so. The MD chose not to.
While there may be gamers in our sport, they aren't that prevalent fortunately, most of us want to play by the rules - see the original posters question. If it were to become a problem I am sure the local MD's would react.
Take Care
Bob
I think you guys are missing the direction of my question.
I'm fully aware of the purpose of chrono'ing, gaming aspect, etc. etc...
My question is specific towards the IDPA application of the chrono.
The IPSC application makes sense both in theory and in practice, and the IDPA application does not.
Bob, per the snip of your post above, what guns did you have available to run the chrono? How did you prep the match as a MD with all of the possible calibers that could be shot, and ensure that the guns were in line with the IDPA application of Chrono'ing?
As a MD, I cannot think of how the IDPA application can be realistically applied in practice. At our next match, I'd like to run everyone through the chrono, and I'd like to do it per the IPSC application - As the grand poobaa of Canada is this acceptable practice?
No, if you are asking for an official reply.
I think you are making a mountain out of a mole hill.
Just use your common sense. Any shooter who fails the Chrono has the right to have his ammo tested in the largest gun allowed for in the Division he/her is shooting per the rule book. Either be prepared to have 5" guns, (6" of you test 1911's) in calibers 9MM, .40Cal & .45acp for pistols or be prepared to have to give the shooter a pass. (In Canada while shooting a Canadian IDPA located match, revolver ammo maybe tested in a 6" barreled gun.
If this is a club shoot, deal with it internally.
Incidently, ensure you take 7 rounds from the shooters magazine on his belt. Three to test, one to pull a bullet from if the weight is in doubt and three for the appeal.
I think you have the capacity to do what is right for the field.
Take Care
Bob
ps If a CDP shooter fails I would and have seen shooters offered the opportunity to complete the match classed in ESP both in Club and Sanctoned Matches. It is the MD's call; so too, how you run the Chrono.
