IF a new Grizzly hunt, what gun
- Thread starter Spruster
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U.S. Forest Service study: Bear stopping cartridge effectiveness based on close range impact energy, bullet expansion & penetration. https://www.fs.usda.gov/pnw/publica...e-measures-and-bullet-performance-short-range
Recoil thought to hamper operator's ability to shoot effectively & to prolong recovery time to fire subsequent shots. Muzzle-braked rifles not used in their study. Fast-forward 40 years my .416 Wby Mk V doesn't kick any harder than my .308's.
Recoil thought to hamper operator's ability to shoot effectively & to prolong recovery time to fire subsequent shots. Muzzle-braked rifles not used in their study. Fast-forward 40 years my .416 Wby Mk V doesn't kick any harder than my .308's.
U.S. Forest Service study: Bear stopping cartridge effectiveness based on close range impact energy, bullet expansion & penetration. https://www.fs.usda.gov/pnw/publica...e-measures-and-bullet-performance-short-range
Recoil thought to hamper operator's ability to shoot effectively & to prolong recovery time to fire subsequent shots. Muzzle-braked rifles not used in their study. Fast-forward 40 years my .416 Wby Mk V doesn't kick any harder than my .308's. ��
This is definitely dated and highly dubious that the 44 Rem Mag rates higher than the 300 and 8mm Magnums.
Just another typical yearly Spring cabin fever thread on CGN unfortunately
Agreed. And the 7mm mag rated much higher than 300 win mag
It’s really just a bullet test
Browning BAR in .338 Winchester Magnum. Standard length barrel (24 inches). No scope. Ghost ring receiver sight. Some tough bullets (275 gr. Swift or 300 gr. equivalent). Done.
Or the very same rifle in 9.3x62mm caliber - if you are really lucky enough to find one - with some tough 286/300/320 gr. bullets.
Or the very same rifle in 9.3x62mm caliber - if you are really lucky enough to find one - with some tough 286/300/320 gr. bullets.
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Ardent
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Grizzlies aren’t hard to kill, and even if they were you’re considerably better off with a .30-06 and a good 150-180gr.
Ardent
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Even then, you’re gonna find it’s less effective than something hitting at 2200fps+ which represents all the best hunting rounds, not by coincidence. The difference between a .30 hole and a .45 is barely more than 1/8” to get real about it. Make it an inch and a half and I may concede the point on bore size. Not a popular opinion on the internet.
Even the biggest grizzly skulls like this one can’t stop a .30 cal, and more happens in the wound that follows the initial entry when they’re doing 2200fps+. I’m not against .40+, just as long as it’s going 2400+ at the muzzle, then they’re highly effective. Problem then is recoil, and related rifle weight to tame it for most.
Even the biggest grizzly skulls like this one can’t stop a .30 cal, and more happens in the wound that follows the initial entry when they’re doing 2200fps+. I’m not against .40+, just as long as it’s going 2400+ at the muzzle, then they’re highly effective. Problem then is recoil, and related rifle weight to tame it for most.
pete dobinson
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If I was on a grizzly hunt I would take my 308 norma but chances are, if I came across an angry bear I would be carrying my 270 so it will have to do.
Last somewhat “negative” grizzly encounter I had was about 2KM from my home, when I was on a deer hunt. It took only a few moments,it was not drawn out.
Started about 125 yards away. Bear saw me but didn’t smell me due to the wind. He was a younger bear, and just like many teenagers he was looking for trouble. He came at me in a trot, not full out charge as I think he still didn’t know what I was. I yelled and stuff but he kept coming so I got ready.
Dropped to my knee, safety off and finger on the trigger. Made a decision if he crossed that ditch about 25-30yatfs from me amd didn’t slow his pace he was going to get shot. He came up from the ditch, finger started to squeeze but felt a puff of wind on the back of my very clammy neck. Grizz stopped, stood up (that means he’s trying to smell/identify you. Not about to go boxing with you)
He winded me, changed his mind and departed. At no time did I feel in danger at 100 yards.
Last negative encounter with a black bear was a big, mature boar. Started at 7ft, ended with the muzzle of my gun jammed into him as I pulled the trigger. He is no longer with us.
7ft away a bear is a danger to you. 100 yards? Not so much. But everyone should go with thier own ability, experience and confidence.
Started about 125 yards away. Bear saw me but didn’t smell me due to the wind. He was a younger bear, and just like many teenagers he was looking for trouble. He came at me in a trot, not full out charge as I think he still didn’t know what I was. I yelled and stuff but he kept coming so I got ready.
Dropped to my knee, safety off and finger on the trigger. Made a decision if he crossed that ditch about 25-30yatfs from me amd didn’t slow his pace he was going to get shot. He came up from the ditch, finger started to squeeze but felt a puff of wind on the back of my very clammy neck. Grizz stopped, stood up (that means he’s trying to smell/identify you. Not about to go boxing with you)
He winded me, changed his mind and departed. At no time did I feel in danger at 100 yards.
Last negative encounter with a black bear was a big, mature boar. Started at 7ft, ended with the muzzle of my gun jammed into him as I pulled the trigger. He is no longer with us.
7ft away a bear is a danger to you. 100 yards? Not so much. But everyone should go with thier own ability, experience and confidence.
A reminder... this is the quote that kicked off all of this BS; "stopping a charge starts at 100 yards"
How is that any different than "Started about 125 yards away"
Everyone gets so focused on what they want to see... and read into things... like "At no time did I feel in danger at 100 yards"
Then why did you "yelled and stuff but he kept coming so I got ready"? At what distance was that? About 100 yards?
At this point, it doesn't really matter... as the damage has been done, and it has more to do with how forums work than with reality and experience.
The contradictions should be obvious... they are what are being pointed out. Nothing more.
R.
How is that any different than "Started about 125 yards away"
Everyone gets so focused on what they want to see... and read into things... like "At no time did I feel in danger at 100 yards"
Then why did you "yelled and stuff but he kept coming so I got ready"? At what distance was that? About 100 yards?
At this point, it doesn't really matter... as the damage has been done, and it has more to do with how forums work than with reality and experience.
The contradictions should be obvious... they are what are being pointed out. Nothing more.
R.
Last somewhat “negative” grizzly encounter I had was about 2KM from my home, when I was on a deer hunt. It took only a few moments,it was not drawn out.
Started about 125 yards away. Bear saw me but didn’t smell me due to the wind. He was a younger bear, and just like many teenagers he was looking for trouble. He came at me in a trot, not full out charge as I think he still didn’t know what I was. I yelled and stuff but he kept coming so I got ready.
Dropped to my knee, safety off and finger on the trigger. Made a decision if he crossed that ditch about 25-30yatfs from me amd didn’t slow his pace he was going to get shot. He came up from the ditch, finger started to squeeze but felt a puff of wind on the back of my very clammy neck. Grizz stopped, stood up (that means he’s trying to smell/identify you. Not about to go boxing with you)
He winded me, changed his mind and departed. At no time did I feel in danger at 100 yards.
Last negative encounter with a black bear was a big, mature boar. Started at 7ft, ended with the muzzle of my gun jammed into him as I pulled the trigger. He is no longer with us.
7ft away a bear is a danger to you. 100 yards? Not so much. But everyone should go with thier own ability, experience and confidence.
You as well speak truth. Problem is, which we see on this thread, is people are commenting or shooting out of fear. That fear is of bears, especially grizzlies. While I don’t have the experience many of the life long guides here have, I have had my share of encounters. Like you, my experience with having to shoot was with a black bear. That experience sticks in my mind.
As others have said bears aren’t hard to kill. You don’t need a huge caliber. A 30-06 with a bullet just frangible enough to make a big hole and penetrate far enough will DRT a bear right there where some 416’s will punch through having it needing tracking.
Enjoy your night.
not recent, but the only horrible thing is how the habitat and the number of grizzlies/brown bear shrank that bad.
My last encounter was similar but not the same. My 17 year old son and I ran into a boar courting a sow on our way in to hunt black bear. We took an alternate route to get around them and carried on about our evening. Hiking out we took the same alternate route but they had moved a bit as well. We saw them about 100 yards facing directly away and down wind. Almost immediately the sow stood up on her hind legs with nose in the air. As soon as she smelled what she wanted to she turned and came right at us with the boar in tow.
I yelled and got zero reaction so I fired my rifle into a dirt bank to the side of them. That stopped both of them and then the boar turned and hit the timber. She started coming again. I let another one go into the same bank and she stopped then turned to follow the same direction the boar went. I thought that was the end of it. But within seconds they both came back out of the timber 20 yards from where they went in and started coming again. This time they were closer to a small dam on a nearby creek so I shot again into that small pond creating a fairly large splash. That turned them back into the timber and I didn’t see them after that. By now it is getting pretty dark.
Would I fire warning shots again? Not sure. I had six rounds in my rifle so now I have three, and my son has a full magazine in his rifle. As Gatehouse above I had a line where I was going to shoot for keeps, but there was also two bears so maybe that was foolish. But the sow was the only one that was showing any aggression. He seemed to be just following her. Who knows.
Here they are when we first encountered them.
I yelled and got zero reaction so I fired my rifle into a dirt bank to the side of them. That stopped both of them and then the boar turned and hit the timber. She started coming again. I let another one go into the same bank and she stopped then turned to follow the same direction the boar went. I thought that was the end of it. But within seconds they both came back out of the timber 20 yards from where they went in and started coming again. This time they were closer to a small dam on a nearby creek so I shot again into that small pond creating a fairly large splash. That turned them back into the timber and I didn’t see them after that. By now it is getting pretty dark.
Would I fire warning shots again? Not sure. I had six rounds in my rifle so now I have three, and my son has a full magazine in his rifle. As Gatehouse above I had a line where I was going to shoot for keeps, but there was also two bears so maybe that was foolish. But the sow was the only one that was showing any aggression. He seemed to be just following her. Who knows.
Here they are when we first encountered them.
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