If AR's became NR, would XCR owners trade their XCR's for an AR of equal value...

I'd still have an XCR, I might have an AR rather than a ruger scout right now but I'd still have an XCR. I like that it converts calibers easily, and that it has better controls than an AR. The AR bold catch location is poor, not the worst thing ever but still poor.
 
fenceline said:
The xcr sells fine in the US.
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This^^

clg said:
There's no way in hell an XCR is comparable to a $1000 AR. Full ambi features, excellent machining quality and tolerances and a superb bolt carrier. It's a well put together rifle that is far better in terms of quality than bargain basement AR's. It certainly has an inflated price given it's status, but lets be real here, Canada isn't what's keeping Robinson Arms alive. The rifle is selling plenty well in the states and that's in a market where AR's dominate and are much more affordable there vs. the XCR too.
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SantaClawz said:
If AR's were to become non restricted, I highly doubt the Tavor would disappear. Look at Tavors popularity south of the border, they are going crazy for it, yet they have AR's without any "restricted/non restricted" crap down there.

It's just a different kind of a beast.
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Same could be said for XCRs,no?
Ok....so maybe 'mericans aren't "going crazy" for XCRs,but they still sell plenty of XCRs south of the border.As was mentioned in earlier post, Canada is NOT keeping RA afloat,their U.S sales I'm guessing must dwarf the relative handful of XCRs that they sell up here?
Again and again I read the same BS about "NR Tax" and "inflated price due to NR status" etc etc.....Newsflash for y'all....a new keymod XCR-L retails in USA for right around $2K+/-...a price point comparable to most any top shelf AR platform.
Admittedly,from browsing the EE here and elsewhere,older XCRs do seem to hold it's value better in Canada,likely in no small part because of NR status,whereas in the USA,they depreciate much faster,but that said,still lots of used XCRs trading in the $1200-$1500 range down south....and many(most) of those are earlier generation models from the "working the bugs out" era.
Considering that XCR sales in the US are holding their own at a $2000 price point against so many more options down there,and given the weak CDN$$ of the day, plus hassle and expense of importing ANY gun into Canada from the states,IMHO,an XCR is a BARGAIN here at the 2015 price of $2610-$2795,and a STEAL at $2350 if you can still find one at that price.....that doesn't even barely cover the exchange rate.

It's obvious that this thread was inspired as yet another XCR bashing forum,titled as a poll that doesn't exist,on a subject that doesn't matter,and most enthusiastically responded to by a majority of (jealous?) AR owners that cry "not fair" that they can't play in XCR's sandbox.

Seriously,if you want know how many would buy an XCR vs. AR,simply pose the question on a knowledgeable USA forum where they already have the choice.RA sells plenty of XCRs at home in the states,where everybody and his grandma owns and has served with an Uncle Sam issued AR.I would be shockingly surprised if I was to learn that the CDN market is the bread and butter of RA,in fact,just guessing,but I would expect that RA sells at least 10x as many XCRs in the states as they do here?
 
Well as the OP I have a few things to say.

First there has been little response from the many XCR owners here at CGN which i thought unusual, but I guess not surprising really.

Second although I would have liked to have mentioned a change in barrel lengths from a NR legal 18.5" to say a NR legal 16" barrel it just seemed an even further step to reach all at the same time, but yes w/o a doubt that will also need to change at some point.

Well I'm not going to even bother tallying up the score as this thread appears well over 90%+ in favour of owning an AR over an XCR if the AR was NR. My thought on the value(s) was to determine if a new XCR buyer at a cost of well over $2,000.00 would instead spend that same amount buying a quality AR instead if of course the AR was NR.

This was not an exercise on bashing XCR's as there's already enough of those threads here on CGN (I kid, I kid), no it was to seriously recognize if the many XCR owners singing their praises really mean it and are not just on board solely for the NR status, like I believe is the truth.


grinrgrn said:
Ok....so maybe 'mericans aren't "going crazy" for XCRs,but they still sell plenty of XCRs south of the border.As was mentioned in earlier post, Canada is NOT keeping RA afloat,their U.S sales I'm guessing must dwarf the relative handful of XCRs that they sell up here?
Again and again I read the same BS about "NR Tax" and "inflated price due to NR status" etc etc.....Newsflash for y'all....a new keymod XCR-L retails in USA for right around $2K+/-...a price point comparable to most any top shelf AR platform.
Admittedly,from browsing the EE here and elsewhere,older XCRs do seem to hold it's value better in Canada,likely in no small part because of NR status,whereas in the USA,they depreciate much faster,but that said,still lots of used XCRs trading in the $1200-$1500 range down south....and many(most) of those are earlier generation models from the "working the bugs out" era.
Considering that XCR sales in the US are holding their own at a $2000 price point against so many more options down there,and given the weak CDN$$ of the day, plus hassle and expense of importing ANY gun into Canada from the states,IMHO,an XCR is a BARGAIN here at the 2015 price of $2610-$2795,and a STEAL at $2350 if you can still find one at that price.....that doesn't even barely cover the exchange rate.

It's obvious that this thread was inspired as yet another XCR bashing forum,titled as a poll that doesn't exist,on a subject that doesn't matter,and most enthusiastically responded to by a majority of (jealous?) AR owners that cry "not fair" that they can't play in XCR's sandbox.

Seriously,if you want know how many would buy an XCR vs. AR,simply pose the question on a knowledgeable USA forum where they already have the choice.RA sells plenty of XCRs at home in the states,where everybody and his grandma owns and has served with an Uncle Sam issued AR.I would be shockingly surprised if I was to learn that the CDN market is the bread and butter of RA,in fact,just guessing,but I would expect that RA sells at least 10x as many XCRs in the states as they do here?
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Now regarding your last paragraph grinrgrn, in the USA the XCR's sold may just be because that there is enough American gun owners wanting one of everything or that they are willing to buy the next new rifle just for the sake of owning the newest.
I don't know, but you would have to think with all the better rifle options available in America including the AR any RA XCR's sold in the USA would be far less then 1% of all new AR's sold in the USA and that should tell you something. Now even in a sea of the hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions of AR's sold annually less then 1% sold being XCR's is still enough to keep a small company like RA alive and well, perhaps.

You don't see any XCR-M's showing up at 1,000Yd. distance competitions against AR-10's or M1A's etc. so that is another indicator, just saying.


Okay well this has gone sorta like I had thought, but w/o as many XCR owners chiming in, wonder why?
 
Hotwheels81 said:
If the Norc is a POS because it's a $500 rifle then the $1000 domestic rifles must be a real pile "o" crap because I see some AR's selling at over $2000.... Just sayin.
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I'm not exactly sure what you're saying here but I've owned at least 10 different AR's over the last few years and currently own four of them of which two cost over $2000 and if you'd ever played with a quality built high end AR you'd understand that there is a difference between a $600 Norinco, a $1000 US or Canadian built rifle, and a $2000+ high end rifle.
The Norinco isn't a pos because it's $600, it's a pos because it's a Chinese copy of an AR built with almost no QC whatsoever and because it comes with no warranty, add to that they didn't even do a good job copying it which is shown when you try to put US built milspec parts into it and they need to be fitted to the rifle to make them work.
If you're happy with your Norinco then I'm happy for you but don't try to convince anyone that it's anywhere near the quality of a high end brand name rifle.
Just because it goes bang when you pull the trigger doesn't make it a quality firearm.
 
For the proper comparison, unless you can find an AR that is piston driven, comes with a key mod mono upper with ambidextrous controls, 18.5" heavy barrel and a folding stock, that can handle 7.62X39 without shattering the bolt face all for the price of $2500, otherwise this whole thread will not make much sense.
 
I'm not sure what the exact point of this thread is? The AR15 has a longer history, more experience and more support by manufacturers. It's not really a stretch to say people would choose it over other black rifles in Canada if it was non-restricted. The fact is that it isn't non-restricted. I'm not sure why the XCR takes such a beating? The XCR is a one-off. Why would you use this 'vote' scenario to bash it compared to the AR when there are hundreds of different AR15 tiers of quality and function? As far as other non-restricted rifles go, Brian, Stormchaser and CR5's guns aside, go look at the reviews of other black rifles online. The ACR doesn't exactly have an unblemished record of satisfied owners either. Also, go look at TruthAboutGuns review on the SL8...not good at all. I think it's hilarious that hardly any XCR owner starts a thread claiming that it's the best gun ever...these conversations always start when someone is chiming in to bash the gun. As an XCR owner, I don't chime into every single SL8 thread or Famae thread or SU16 thread or Norc Ar15 thread in order to bash the guns. To each their own. If you don't like the XCR that's fine, don't buy one.
 
lone ranger said:
well the price of the Nork would go from $525 to $900 over night. I would still buy it at that, if it went NR. I didn't care for the XCR.
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Former Norc owner here, so not trashing the Norc or anything, but why would the value for Norcs go up if ARs went NR? I could see a temporary shortage of ARs in the beginning because ever one will start buying them, that might cause a few unscrupulous dealer to price gouge a bit, but eventually production will catch up to demand and level out. Wouldn’t they remain at a price status quo with North American manufacturers?
 
There would def be a money grab. Do you think the xcrwould be $2500 if it was restricted? Nope i bet you could buy one for $1800 brand new if that was the case. AR suppliers, retailers importers would raise prices to capitalize on their new market. Even if it was $2-500 more i doubt anyone would notice or even care cause now everyone can own one.
 
IF the AR were to go NR, it would win on economy alone. The XCR, while ok, is nothing more than a mid-grade AR quality wise (the newer ones at least) from a single company with "meh" customer service. Why anyone in the US buys one? To be different.

IF there was an AR price increase due to changing to NR , it wouldn't last long. The market would be quickly flooded, just like the US. 18" barrels and AMMO however... yeah, I'd invest in these.

As for the Tavor, it won't go anywhere. Those who know, know. Current in stock might go down in price a bit, due to competing with AR sales. Expect new ones coming into the country to be worth more in the future.

Bushmaster has pretty much killed the ACR.

Red rifles, they'll be around for a long time.
 
never been an XCR owner, but have owned ARs in the past. If ARs went NR, I still wouldn't buy one, because they don't do anything for me. I'd still prefer a vz 58 in 7.62 or a shorty m14.
 
"Okay well this has gone sorta like I had thought, but w/o as many XCR owners chiming in, wonder why?"

Personally, I'd rather masturbate with a cheese grater than enter another XCR vs unicorn, thread.

I went shooting this weekend, twice. Just saying...
Pew pew pew....

:)
 
zeuce said:
There would def be a money grab. Do you think the xcrwould be $2500 if it was restricted? Nope i bet you could buy one for $1800 brand new if that was the case.
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Good luck with that,they retail for more than $1900 in the states.Todays exchange rate alone puts it at $2390 before any other charges(duty,shipping,import fees?)
Why is it that the AR Fanboys/XCR haters club continues to insist that their is some kind of secret "NR tax/price gouge" conspiracy amongst CDN XCR retailers?
Why do Hk SL8,ACR,Tavor etc cost what they do,and what do they cost in the USA?
Why are .223 VZs right around $1000 if the secret retail cartel can charge double that,just because they are NR?
SKS....don't even go there.
It's getting kinda rediculous how often this "NR price gouge" is regurgitated by the XCR haters.
 
I have a xcr keymod in 223 and a 308 both in tan.I bought the 308 first and when looking it over it looked like a very well built gun.
Both of my xcr's shoot great and I really have to laugh when someone comes on here and says the xcr should sell for
$1000.00 it is obvious this person never handle one.I spent over a $1000.00 for my non restricted beretta storm
And I love the storm but really there is nothing there that would make this gun worth $1000.00 and so after looking at some of these non restricted guns
Such as the storm and jr carbine that sell for over $1000.00 I would have to say the xcr selling price is not to high.I have owned two ar15 and the xcr has
Way nicer trigger and is a tighter gun.I like my xcr rifles but if the ar15 went non restricted I would be the first to buy a top quality ar15 in 204 ruger.I would still keep my xcr's these days you don't get much of a gun for $1000.00.
 
For myself I would never go back to the AR, shot one for years on prairie gopher fields and loved it. Things changed and couldn't take it out for fun so bought an XCR. Love the controls, and will never go back to the AR style charging handle. Don't like that the AR is restricted but it forced me to try something new. At least something good came out of this.
 
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