Ignacio Ugartechea - eibar - now with more pics.

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Hi - just wondering if anyone can tell me anything about this piece and it's value? I picked it up off a member in the EE. It's an Ignacio Ungartechea 12g SXS sidelock. It has double triggers and ejectors. Right barrel says - Eibar and left barrel says Beristhin Sa. It has pitting on exterior of both barrels and the stock has lots of dings and scratches, but both bores are bright and shiney with no pitting. It is finely engraved on all metal parts. It has no butt pad, just checkerd wood. Action is extremely tight. I can't fit a pece of paper between the barrels and the action when it locks! The safety works fine.
I did a search on the net and aparently new Ungartechea doubles go for over $2000! Here's a bad pic:
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I was planning on using this SXS for a coachgun project I have been thinking of, but don't want to ruin it if it is worth more than what I paid ($300). Given the SA code on the left barrel (http://www.9mmlargo.com/year_codes.htm) does that mean it was made in 1948?

Any comments appreciated.
 
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In better condition, it would certainly be worth more than the $300. Unfortunately, the cost of completely refinishing both wood and metal will consume the difference (and then you have a "refinished" example, not an original as would be sought by lovers of the Spanish SXS's).

You certainly have a solid foundation for a coach gun project, IMO. Expect that you'll never get both the purchase price plus the cost of modifications when the time comes to sell. However, the enjoyment and experience of working on the restoration and shooting it after you're done is worth something.
 
My father picked up an Ignacio (box lock) for $300 same idea, thought he might make a few bucks. It was in similar condition. I listed it on CGN for about 2 months at $350, then at $300. He found some sucker locally to pay him him $400 for it. I thought we would get about $250 for it.
 
Have the barrels re-rust blued [200-250] and you will have a nice spanish sidelock...to nice of a sxs to start chopping..Id give ya 350 for it if ya lived next door....:cheers::cheers:
 
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Uggie's are one of the best Spanish guns, and yours is a higher end model. Canada is a bad market for SxS's, the US has much more demand for them. If your gun was N.I.B. in the states it would be listed at least at $2000.00. Get it rust blued and you will have a very nice shotgun. If you want a coach gun , sell the Uggie and buy a shotgun from Tradex for the project.
 
I agree, DON'T chop it up!!!! There's tons of crappy old doubles out there you can use.

I'll give you more than you paid if you want to do your coach gun project. PM me.
 
It's probably not worth more than you paid for it. Refurbishing the gun might be a possibility but having gone down that road with an older Spanish sidelock it's not a project I would repeat without some serious appraisal on the gun's internal condition.

To have it refurbed properly could easily get into the four figure range and up. Even after investing that money what you would be left with is an older, mid-grade Spanish sidelock. Nothing against Spanish guns, I quite like them and my hunting gun is a custom Spanish sidelock, but they don't command the same interest as their English and Italian counterparts.

However I wouldn't cut it because any value it might have would be lost forever.
 
Threads like this always make me die a little bit inside. A beautiful hand made shotgun, an engraved sidelock no less, is allowed to deteriorate into this condition. A pox on the previous owner(s). The poor gun then falls into the hands of someone who does not know how tell the difference between an ejector and an extractor (see previous thread) and who wants to saw off the barrels. Even the name is misspelled (it's Ignacio Ugartechea, not Ungartechea. A little research will show the rich history of this Basque manufacturer.)

While CB is correct in that the value is not high, the gun represents a great many hours of hand labour. It is not economically viable to have a gunsmith restore this piece, but there are many individuals who can polish their own metal and do their own rust bluing. How pitted are the bores? How damaged are the screws? Find someone with the proper tools and pull the locks, how rusted are they? The gun is reportedly still on face and if the previous thread is to be believed, the ejectors still work. This could be a great project gun for someone with a love of refinishing (and patience). Besides, rose bouquet and scroll engraving looks silly on a coach gun.

As for the date code, there is no "SA" as part of the Spanish dating system. It looks like a 1970's gun to me, look for marks with a letter and a number, eg. P1 = 1971, Q1 = 1972, etc. Prior to 1955 the date code was a single letter, eg. 1954 = Z.

Clobbersauras, no offense but this is not the gun for your coach gun project. It is a game gun and should remain as such. Sell it to someone who has the time, skills and passion to restore it. Then go find a Baikal hammer gun. Hammer guns make the best coach guns anyway.

Sharptail
 
Sharptail said:
Threads like this always make me die a little bit inside. A beautiful hand made shotgun, an engraved sidelock no less, is allowed to deteriorate into this condition. A pox on the previous owner(s). The poor gun then falls into the hands of someone who does not know how tell the difference between an ejector and an extractor (see previous thread) and who wants to saw off the barrels. Even the name is misspelled (it's Ignacio Ugartechea, not Ungartechea. A little research will show the rich history of this Basque manufacturer.)

While CB is correct in that the value is not high, the gun represents a great many hours of hand labour. It is not economically viable to have a gunsmith restore this piece, but there are many individuals who can polish their own metal and do their own rust bluing. How pitted are the bores? How damaged are the screws? Find someone with the proper tools and pull the locks, how rusted are they? The gun is reportedly still on face and if the previous thread is to be believed, the ejectors still work. This could be a great project gun for someone with a love of refinishing (and patience). Besides, rose bouquet and scroll engraving looks silly on a coach gun.

As for the date code, there is no "SA" as part of the Spanish dating system. It looks like a 1970's gun to me, look for marks with a letter and a number, eg. P1 = 1971, Q1 = 1972, etc. Prior to 1955 the date code was a single letter, eg. 1954 = Z.

Clobbersauras, no offense but this is not the gun for your coach gun project. It is a game gun and should remain as such. Sell it to someone who has the time, skills and passion to restore it. Then go find a Baikal hammer gun. Hammer guns make the best coach guns anyway.

Sharptail
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If someone were to say he/she witnessed Sharptail loosing his cool.......this may be it :D :D :D
 
Sharptail said:
Threads like this always make me die a little bit inside. A beautiful hand made shotgun, an engraved sidelock no less, is allowed to deteriorate into this condition. A pox on the previous owner(s). The poor gun then falls into the hands of someone who does not know how tell the difference between an ejector and an extractor (see previous thread) and who wants to saw off the barrels. Even the name is misspelled (it's Ignacio Ugartechea, not Ungartechea. A little research will show the rich history of this Basque manufacturer.)

While CB is correct in that the value is not high, the gun represents a great many hours of hand labour. It is not economically viable to have a gunsmith restore this piece, but there are many individuals who can polish their own metal and do their own rust bluing. How pitted are the bores? How damaged are the screws? Find someone with the proper tools and pull the locks, how rusted are they? The gun is reportedly still on face and if the previous thread is to be believed, the ejectors still work. This could be a great project gun for someone with a love of refinishing (and patience). Besides, rose bouquet and scroll engraving looks silly on a coach gun.

As for the date code, there is no "SA" as part of the Spanish dating system. It looks like a 1970's gun to me, look for marks with a letter and a number, eg. P1 = 1971, Q1 = 1972, etc. Prior to 1955 the date code was a single letter, eg. 1954 = Z.

Clobbersauras, no offense but this is not the gun for your coach gun project. It is a game gun and should remain as such. Sell it to someone who has the time, skills and passion to restore it. Then go find a Baikal hammer gun. Hammer guns make the best coach guns anyway.

Sharptail
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Thanks for insulting me:mad:.

I just edited my post as this guy isn't worth it.

The screws are in excellent condition and the bores are bright. And this gun, despite it's engraving, is exactly what I was looking for in a coach gun. Ejectors being the main feature, with no hammers. It was difficult to find a SXS with ejectors.

Brother - these people are why I hate this forum sometimes.....

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Grouse Man said:
I agree, DON'T chop it up!!!! There's tons of crappy old doubles out there you can use.

I'll give you more than you paid if you want to do your coach gun project. PM me.
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Hi Grouseman - my only concern here is that I'll not be able to find a SXS with ejectors (that is in decent condition). It took me quite a while to find one - I've been watching the local shops for a few years actually and watching the EE. All of them I inquired about had extractors. The other thing I like here is that this gun is solid and very well built. Just what I need in a coach gun. Of course if the offer is right everything is for sale:redface:
 
Clobbersauras said:
Thanks for insulting me:mad:.

I just edited my post as this guy isn't worth it.

The screws are in excellent condition and the bores are bright. And this gun, despite it's engraving, is exactly what I was looking for in a coach gun. Ejectors being the main feature, with no hammers. It was difficult to find a SXS with ejectors.

Brother - these people are why I hate this forum sometimes.....

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Clobbersaurus - take it easy :).......I would think Sharptail's frustration was more due to the present state of that sxs and some of his word "pellets" kinda strayed towards you :).....perhaps those Sharptails have been giving him a hard time this season :D :D

I would urge you to frequent this Forum more, and in course of time, you will find him a very friendly individual and one of the most knowledgeable CGN'r in terms of double guns. Your questions were open/honest and I'm sure that he did not mean to mock you. The sight of that nice Uggie in a state of coma was just too much for him to bear :).....you would understand once you've hung around this forum for a while :)

The sxs is your property of course, but I would voice what others have already stated - please don't amputate those bbls :)

Regards,
 
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Clobbersauras said:
Hi Grouseman - my only concern here is that I'll not be able to find a SXS with ejectors (that is in decent condition). It took me quite a while to find one - I've been watching the local shops for a few years actually and watching the EE. All of them I inquired about had extractors. The other thing I like here is that this gun is solid and very well built. Just what I need in a coach gun. Of course if the offer is right everything is for sale:redface:
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Clobbersauras: No offence but could you possibly change your Avatar. I have an allergy to shoe salesmen. :)
 
Clobbersauras said:
Thanks for insulting me:mad:.

I just edited my post as this guy isn't worth it.

The screws are in excellent condition and the bores are bright. And this gun, despite it's engraving, is exactly what I was looking for in a coach gun. Ejectors being the main feature, with no hammers. It was difficult to find a SXS with ejectors.

Brother - these people are why I hate this forum sometimes.....

Rant closed.
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It's pretty clear you are well in over your head. Sharptail has forgotten more about sxs than you'll probably ever know. Read some of his previous posts.

Difficult to find a sxs with ejectors? ROTLFMAO.

Give your head a shake. You didn't even know how ejectors WORKED until you came here and now you are pissing on one of the guys around here who knows the most about sxs. :rolleyes:
 
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It's pretty clear you are well in over your head. Sharptail has forgotten more about sxs than you'll probably ever know. Read some of his previous posts.

Difficult to find a sxs with ejectors? ROTLFMAO.

Give your head a shake. You didn't even know how ejectors WORKED until you came here and now you are pissing on one of the guys around here who knows the most about sxs. :rolleyes:
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Jump all over me guys - if it makes you feel better:jerkit:. I'm sorry, SXS guru or not, Sharptail was insulting. To call a guy an idiot that you don't even know (and an admitted newb) because you have two fingers and can type is an armchair commando tactic and rather juvenile. My original post was not insulting, and all I did was spell a name wrong:rolleyes:??? I posted to get feedback on shortening the barrels of a gun that has been abused.
 
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Clobbersauras said:
Jump all over me guys - if it makes you feel better:jerkit:. I'm sorry, SXS guru or not, Sharptail was insulting. To call a guy an idiot that you don't even know (and an admitted newb) because you have two fingers and can type is an armchair commando tactic and rather juvenile. My original post was not insulting, and all I did was spell a name wrong:rolleyes:??? I posted to get feedback on shortening the barrels of a gun that has been abused.
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Reread his posts. Sharptail didn't call you an idiot. He didn't even imply it.

You're the guy throwing around insults like "juvenile" and "armchair commando".

I didn't call you an idiot either. But it's well established that you have a lot to learn about shotguns.

You didn't know how ejectors worked in your other thread. Also your comment about not being able to fit a piece of paper between the barrels and the standing breach shows you don't have a clear idea of what "off the face" means.

Anyway do what you want with this gun. Were it mine I'd think about sending it back to Spain to have the factory refinish it. I've been through the Ugartechea operation in Eibar and they could make this gun once again into something to be proud of.
 
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