I'll never slag the 98 again!
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And what sort of action is the P-14 based on?!downwindtracker2 said:
I think modern metallurgy has helped the M98 a lot too.
People keep comparing the M98 to the M700 which is hard to do.
One is a forged receiver and the other is basically a tube construction receiver.
As such the characteristics are hugely different.
But event taking into account the improvement in steel, Paul Mauser deliberately heat treated the OUTSIDE of the action to strengthen it and left the INSIDE of the chamber softer to deal with the pressure.
Now that is serious inventiveness in the fact of the limitations of materials and technology.
But as I said before, if the M98 is designed for a cartridge it deals well.
If it is designed for 375 H&H, 416 Rigby or 458 Win Mag then it copes wonderfully.
If it is a modern M98 designed for standard length magnum cartridges(i.e. BSA, Parker Hale and CZ actions) then it deals well with them too and so on.
One of the most unappreciated M98 actions were those made for the 7x57, the intermediate length.
Chamber one to 284 Win, 6.5/284 or a short action cartridge like 260 Rem or 7mm-08 which benefit from extra throat length and you have one cracker of a rifle.
Nick Harvey, a well respected Aussie gun writer and reloading expert, has a BSA Royal with an intermediate action originally chambered to 7x57 which he had rebarreled to 284 Win many years ago.
My stomach churns at the idea of bastardising a good rifle in this classic chambering for what is arguably only a small boost in overall performance.
Despite this his rifle has taken trophies all over the world and he finds it extremely useful to be able to seat 160gn and 175gn bullets right out,
It goes without saying it is exceptionally accurate.
No... that stock was made by the old chief stock maker at Fajen.
That rifle was put together by Terry Weiland for a Coastal Grizzly hunt a few years back.
I jerked that Bushnell 4200 off and put a Leupold 2-7 since that pic was taken.
It is a very nice rifle to shoot even with full house loads the recoil is very tame.
That rifle was put together by Terry Weiland for a Coastal Grizzly hunt a few years back.
I jerked that Bushnell 4200 off and put a Leupold 2-7 since that pic was taken.
It is a very nice rifle to shoot even with full house loads the recoil is very tame.
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Mystic Precision
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Many compare the 98 to 700's and such because of how good the 98's are.
1890's tech and design challenging the best modern engineering has to offer. Mr. Mauser knew a thing or two about a rifle me thinks.
The only thing I really never liked about the actions were the clunky shroud safety. I know why they were designed that way but just don't like the lines. I find the 3 pos Win type safety or the trigger safety and smooth shroud more appealing.
also, the wobbliness of the bolt when you pulled it back. Yes, there were very good reasons for that too. Hell, there are reasons for everything 'bad' on that action.
As for 1000yd accuracy, my P14 300 RUM does just fine at 1000m thank you very much (#### on closing too if you can believe that). I have also had 1/4 MOA performance from a Parker Hale Midland, and several P14's and P17's. One of my favorite past times is pounding clays at 700 to 800yds with these rifles. I have not built any rifles on a true M98 action but its children seem to do just fine.
In fact the P series gives one a poor mans custom BR action when it comes to holding a honking big barrel without bending. Better then any Rem/Sav/chestger I can think of. My Timneys break under 1lb too.
The most expensive bolt action rifles are built on Mausers (think $10,000US as the opening bet and go up from there to like $35G). A few people think they are OK.
After saying all this warm and fuzzy, I am having more fun with the ever changeable, modular Savage.
Jerry
1890's tech and design challenging the best modern engineering has to offer. Mr. Mauser knew a thing or two about a rifle me thinks.
The only thing I really never liked about the actions were the clunky shroud safety. I know why they were designed that way but just don't like the lines. I find the 3 pos Win type safety or the trigger safety and smooth shroud more appealing.
also, the wobbliness of the bolt when you pulled it back. Yes, there were very good reasons for that too. Hell, there are reasons for everything 'bad' on that action.
As for 1000yd accuracy, my P14 300 RUM does just fine at 1000m thank you very much (#### on closing too if you can believe that). I have also had 1/4 MOA performance from a Parker Hale Midland, and several P14's and P17's. One of my favorite past times is pounding clays at 700 to 800yds with these rifles. I have not built any rifles on a true M98 action but its children seem to do just fine.
In fact the P series gives one a poor mans custom BR action when it comes to holding a honking big barrel without bending. Better then any Rem/Sav/chestger I can think of. My Timneys break under 1lb too.
The most expensive bolt action rifles are built on Mausers (think $10,000US as the opening bet and go up from there to like $35G). A few people think they are OK.
After saying all this warm and fuzzy, I am having more fun with the ever changeable, modular Savage.
Jerry
Mystic Precision
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DWT2, well they both have 4 tires and an engine....close enough?
I am always thrilled to think that many factory rifles and factory action custom rifles can shoot as well as they do.
A full meal deal BR rig better shoot in the 0's and 1's for SR BR, 1 and 2's for LR BR. A good quality factory rig can shoot in the 4' to 6's at LR. Rebarreled using a match quality tube should net 2's to 4's at LR.
If you are good enough to dope the conditions and use those last few tenths, get a full meal deal rig. Most of us plinkers, varminters and pleasure shooters can't, so even a factory rifle can shoot better then we can dope.
With consistent ammo and quality optics, you can shoot a very long ways accurately.
Jerry
I am always thrilled to think that many factory rifles and factory action custom rifles can shoot as well as they do.
A full meal deal BR rig better shoot in the 0's and 1's for SR BR, 1 and 2's for LR BR. A good quality factory rig can shoot in the 4' to 6's at LR. Rebarreled using a match quality tube should net 2's to 4's at LR.
If you are good enough to dope the conditions and use those last few tenths, get a full meal deal rig. Most of us plinkers, varminters and pleasure shooters can't, so even a factory rifle can shoot better then we can dope.
With consistent ammo and quality optics, you can shoot a very long ways accurately.
Jerry
