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Winchester ball powders are double base powders and have more deterrent coating than single base powders.
And Winchester primers are developed to light off their harder to ignite ball powders.
And as a side note Remington ran our Lake City Army Ammunition Plant from 1941 until 1982. And since the military used a lot of Winchester ball powders and the Remington primers are also "warmer" than many other make primers.
Look at the primers going off at the link below and compare the Winchester, Remington and magnum photos.
Primer Flash Test Photos
http://www.6mmbr.com/primerpix.html
When I use Winchester ball powders in my .223 AR15 rifle I use Remington 7 1/2 primers. Because this is what Remington used at Lake city for their 5.56 ammo.
And Winchester primers are developed to light off their harder to ignite ball powders.
And as a side note Remington ran our Lake City Army Ammunition Plant from 1941 until 1982. And since the military used a lot of Winchester ball powders and the Remington primers are also "warmer" than many other make primers.
Look at the primers going off at the link below and compare the Winchester, Remington and magnum photos.
Primer Flash Test Photos
http://www.6mmbr.com/primerpix.html
When I use Winchester ball powders in my .223 AR15 rifle I use Remington 7 1/2 primers. Because this is what Remington used at Lake city for their 5.56 ammo.
I use Winchester large pistol primers under H-110 in my 44 ,357's 454 and never had a problem.
Yes, the Standard Win primer will work very well in any load using ball powders.
They also make a magnum primer. I assume it would be the better choice in a real large case of ball powder.
Note this: Say you are loading a 30-06 size case. If you load a slow powder, it will be full. If you load a medium speed powder, it will be 75% full. The 75% full case of ball powder is the one that can have ignition problems and even more so if it is a 150 gr or lighter bullet and even more so if it is not crimped.
When someone says they use ball powder with standard primers and have no problems, it just means they have not crossed the line, such as a less than full case with a light bullet.
I once loaded 8x57 with 125 gr bullets and a ball powder with standard primers. All 20 shots were Click - Bang.
You never want to be even close to that line. With ball powders use a hotter primer. I use Winchester. I have a few cases I bought 20 years ago when they made quality primers.
They also make a magnum primer. I assume it would be the better choice in a real large case of ball powder.
Note this: Say you are loading a 30-06 size case. If you load a slow powder, it will be full. If you load a medium speed powder, it will be 75% full. The 75% full case of ball powder is the one that can have ignition problems and even more so if it is a 150 gr or lighter bullet and even more so if it is not crimped.
When someone says they use ball powder with standard primers and have no problems, it just means they have not crossed the line, such as a less than full case with a light bullet.
I once loaded 8x57 with 125 gr bullets and a ball powder with standard primers. All 20 shots were Click - Bang.
You never want to be even close to that line. With ball powders use a hotter primer. I use Winchester. I have a few cases I bought 20 years ago when they made quality primers.
I have yet to see any .454 brass with LP primer pockets.
Not particularly dangerous but it can make for some very crappy loads. I've had bullets that wouldn't even stabilize when using magnum primers with TG. Rule of thumb they will work better with slower powders like H110. If you use H110 anyway (which really calls for magnum primers) why not keep them for these rounds?
The closest I have come to blowing up a gun was when I reworked a load up with CCI 350 instead of 300. Despite backing off quite a bit (21%)my start loads cycled the gun violently and bulged the cases. Obviously I gave up and just stuck to normal primers for that load.
I've never noticed any difference one way or the other between standard or magnum primers in any of my .44 mag loads. The Winchesters have worked just fine in thousands of rounds but then so have CCI 300s and 350s and S&Bs. My testing has shown that the charge of a specific powder has the greatest effect on how clean (lack of unburned powder) a particular load is and primers made no difference whatsoever. Naturally there will be disagreement.
