I have read this statement a few times here: "If you can learn to shoot the Glock you can shoot anything" Why would people say this or similar statements? Because a light gun is hard to shoot? The other thing about the glock is that it is built with loose tolerances, one thing this means that the brass expands a lot and will not last long after a few uses, it is also not that accurate due to loose bbl etc. The Glock has been around for a while now and has not been improved in a significant way. The competition is catching up. I have never been able to load more than 6 or so rounds in the mag without undue effort, I guess due to the heavy spring. I am no Glock fan.
I'm looking towards new purchase and some input please.
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Personally, I would go M&P. I will be honest, I have never owned one but fired one on a few occasions. I do own one glock and like it, but I love the trigger on the M&P compared to the standard glock trigger. The M&P also just has some nicer lines and appeal (to me anyway). The front slide serrations and curves are much more appealing.
I have only shot the berretta on one occasion and have never owned it, but it wasn't for me. The trigger was double action only which isn'y my cop-o-tea, but I am sure you can get them in a double/single set-up. Even still, I would go M&P.
I imagine out of the 3 the resale would go in this order, but this is only IMHO:
1)M&P
2)Beretta
3)Glock
I have only shot the berretta on one occasion and have never owned it, but it wasn't for me. The trigger was double action only which isn'y my cop-o-tea, but I am sure you can get them in a double/single set-up. Even still, I would go M&P.
I imagine out of the 3 the resale would go in this order, but this is only IMHO:
1)M&P
2)Beretta
3)Glock
This is a better list in my opinion, maybe even through the M&P on it too. But the Sig and CZ and Beauts
Please define what you consider to be "accurate" as I've seen some amazing shooters using Glock. Pretty easy to get accurate with it as it has the consistent trigger pull. Also it hasn't really changed in a long time because why would you mess with something that is so reliable, time tested, and popular? Don't get me wrong I'm not a Glock fanboy, much prefer a Sig but still it's a damn good gun.
I think the reason why the poster put the 3 guns there in a list without the M&P was because they were all similar in that they were hammer/steel not striker/polymer guns.
To the OP, I'll throw my opinion into the mix here (although it's pretty much what most guys have already said). I'd go with the Glock or the M&P, I personally really don't like the Beretta. In terms of what you get for your money the M&P is probably the winner, but I prefer the Glock myself. Whether you buy the Glock or the M&P you'll get a quick resale for most of what you paid if you decide to get rid of it. The Beretta I don't believe will sell as quickly (based on what I've seen at stores).
wow....really good info.
I want to get a pistol that is single and double action...it just came to me to ask cause I kinda thought all three fit that request and I had never bothered to even ask.
do they?
this is going to be my last handgun purchase for some time as I'm trying to convince myself to bite the price tag and join target sports, so I'm on the fence ...
as for resale I don't resell my guns once its mine ...its mine...
I get the point for the pricing as you get more with glock and m&p but not sure like I seid Im on the fence and taking time to decide.
I do apreciate all the info and 0.02 cents
Glenn.
I want to get a pistol that is single and double action...it just came to me to ask cause I kinda thought all three fit that request and I had never bothered to even ask.
do they?
this is going to be my last handgun purchase for some time as I'm trying to convince myself to bite the price tag and join target sports, so I'm on the fence ...
as for resale I don't resell my guns once its mine ...its mine...
I get the point for the pricing as you get more with glock and m&p but not sure like I seid Im on the fence and taking time to decide.
I do apreciate all the info and 0.02 cents
Glenn.
Unless I'm mistaken (which does happen quite often, especially according to my wife) if you want a DA/SA from those 3 you're only choice would be a Beretta. However if you want a good DA/SA (in my opinion) get a Sig.
I have recently started down the path of hand guns myself. One thing to keep in mind is the price of the ammo will soon surpass the price of the gun. Don't limit yourself to a cheaper hand gun, you may find yourself to be the owner of several before you find the one you like the best. I started with a m&p for the first year but now find my STI USPSA in my hand more often. These are more finicky than the m&p for sure but definately shoot better. I reload and any of the handloads that won't feed through my STI my m&p gobbles them up. Also if you are going to get holster certified the trigger safety of the m&p makes the chance of shooting yourself less likely. Proper handleing of a 1911 also will prevent this. Enjoy your choice because it is your choice
If you don't own a Glock or have limited experience with them, I suggest you refrain from commenting, less you wish to be the fool. Wait, you already proved that point above and below. Cast lead in a stock Glock barrel will void warranty, it can be done, it is done by many a Glock users. If you watch your round count and monitor the "leading" of the barrel, its entirely a non issue.
Your post is so full of bullsh*t I can smell it through the screen. Glocks have a non forgiving trigger, as in, learn to apply the fundamentals or you won't hit sh*t and will look like the untrained uneducated novice you are. The chamber specs on a Glock are not "loose" as you say, they're per 9x19mm NATO/PARA specs. Reloading brass is fine and can be done many a times. I personally know a guy who's been running lead and reloads through his G19 for close to 15 years. Some brass is over 5 year old.
Glocks are not "perfect" as so many Glock haters seem to believe the pro Glock crowd promote. The reality is that Glocks are as close to perfect as has been produced to date as far as service pistols go. There is very little for Glock to improve on but they have made improvements in shape as well as internal dimensions and parts. Externally you won't see much but the changes are there. Then again, for a guy who doesn't like them and likely doesn't own one its hard to believe you'd notice these change or believe anything you have to say about them.
The stiff magazine is intentional, it prevents rounds from popping out if you drop the magazine. Ten rounds isn't that difficult to load by hand. If your inability to load a stiff magazine is what you consider a reason to avoid Glocks, then you're looking at the wrong criteria.
TDC
The bottom line is that you need to shoot some of the pistols you are thinking of purchasing. Go with friends and people you know that own handguns.Take your time. It is a big purchase. Target sports will also allow you to use a few different handguns. I was leaning toward a Glock until I actually shot one. Did not like it. Shot way better with the S & W. That doesn't mean there is anything wrong with a Glock. Just not for me. It is just like the big three automakers. You are going to get some that are crap and some that are gold.
Doesn't happen - ever. I've tried (kicked dirt all over the gun, on the ground) enough times to know it's a waste of time. Frankly, in 5+ years and 40,000+ rounds, if there was an 'easy' way to stop an M&P I'd know it - the only easy way to stop an M&P is to feed it out of spec ammo.
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The problem is you, not the gun. Fundamentals apply to all firearms, your inability to apply them is what you experienced when you shot the Glock. Some guns simply cover up bad form better than others and you're right, the Glock wasn't doing that for you.
Amazing the garbage "issues" some people dream up. I'm not a huge fan of the M&P, but I have no doubt believing enefgee and can attest to doing similar mean things to my Glocks, all without failure.
TDC
with the gap and sands Inside the gun, I was not saying that it stop the gun and I was not saying that it bring failure to the gun, the garbage ''issues'' is not coming from me, I don't like having sands in my guns that's it !!!
you do what you want with your guns, don't try to put more words in my text, same comments for enefgee
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damb...I didn't mean to start a debate..sorry guys.
all the advise is great. I tried to sleep on it and I think I'm going to save my pennies ( which we don't even use anymore ) and wait. Join Target sports if they'll have me as a member then new 9mm choice will have to wait but I am still liking the advice on looking towards another 9mm.
Glenn.
all the advise is great. I tried to sleep on it and I think I'm going to save my pennies ( which we don't even use anymore ) and wait. Join Target sports if they'll have me as a member then new 9mm choice will have to wait but I am still liking the advice on looking towards another 9mm.
Glenn.
Uh, yeah, OK.
There is no doubt in my mind that "learning" to shoot a glock well will make you a better shooter.
It is good to master the fundamentals.
Once mastered a shooter is able to perform well with all firearms.
If the aim is to be proficient and accurate with just one firearm, then perhaps starting with a gun that is more forgiving in the trigger category would be efficient, expedient and suitable for average shooters and home defenders where applicable.
I somewhat agree. The vast majority of people will progress at approximately the same rate when learning to shoot. That being said, why take the easy(handicap) way out and use gear that covers up your poor form? As you and I have said, fundamentals that are applied properly on demand will greatly benefit any shooter on any firearm. Starting out on a system that fails to accurately convey ones abilities(or lack thereof) is simply false accolades and reinforces poor form. You can't run before you walk, and can't walk until you learn to crawl. No one enjoys the early stages because everyone wants to be great at shooting without investing the time and effort. I believe and have witnessed this mentality steer many towards guns that simply mask poor form. In addition, these same people plateau quickly then chase improved performance with endless amounts of bolt on sh*t that simply does nothing to improve said performance or requires a firm grasp of the fundamentals and an advanced skill set for it to offer any level of performance gain. An accessory that provides a 0.5MOA reduction in group size is a waste of money on a shooter with a 3MOA flinch.. Correcting bad form takes a lot more time and effort than starting from scratch and doing it right.
What's that old saying: "it amazes me how many people can't find the time to do it right the first time, but somehow find the time to do it right the second time."
As for home defence and the use of an "easier" firearm. I disagree wholeheartedly. The firearm and its ease of use are but one element of an HD setup. Mindset and training are by far more important elements than any amount of gear. The same negative reinforcement above is what concerns me with those running such gear for HD. If you can't apply the fundamentals on the range in a zero stress environment, you surely won't be able to do so under stress. Often, the guns that mask poor form are single action guns with short and light triggers neither of which are conducive to HD use by untrained individuals. With ease and simplicity in mind along with the 'average" shooter. A DAO or striker fired pistol is the easiest option as it is the most consistent. If the firearm is easy and consistent to run then the learning curve and the performance curve will track in unison, usually at a steeper rate than that of a more difficult system like a DA/SA or SA with manual safety.
TDC
At least one member has to be rude and impolite here. I guess it is small man syndrome. Maybe he lives at home with his mom! Big man behind a keyboard anyway. I'm not talking about the guy who I have quoted above. You know who you are.Haha, debate. This is CGN. If you typed out "hey everyone, guns are great" - you would still have 4 pages of people debating random things.
